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Old 12-13-2006, 12:36 AM
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Online Poker: Burn & Turn?

This might sound like a really weird, silly or stupid question but do online poker rooms use a virtual form of burning and turning with dealing their hands? For example, three cards will never be in play for any hand of Hold'em dealt to the river in brick and mortar cardroom but online are all 52 cards live?

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Old 12-13-2006, 12:43 AM
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Re: Online Poker: Burn & Turn?

I read that some do, and some don't.
However, it doesn't really make any difference in terms of odds or anything.
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Re: Online Poker: Burn & Turn?

seriously...why would this make a difference?
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Re: Online Poker: Burn & Turn?

P* does not burn a card. This from Lee Jones. The whole article is here: http://www.cardplayer.com/magazine/article/15087

Question: Do you (an online poker site) shuffle a single deck of cards and deal from it, or do you take a random card each time?

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It varies. PokerStars shuffles a 52-card deck, and then starts dealing from the top. Some other sites do that, as well, while other sites choose a card randomly from the deck each time a card is needed. Either approach works just fine as long as you don't put the cards back in the deck ("without replacement" is the official probability and stats term). And you can bet that the deal is just as random (if not more so) as the shuffle done in a brick-and-mortar cardroom.

Q: Do you "burn" a card before putting out (for instance) the flop in an online game?

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PokerStars does not burn a card. I'm not aware of what other sites do, but it doesn't make a bit of difference either way. Note that the purpose of burning a card is to protect the deck; that is, if a card is marked, by leaving a burn card on top, nobody can see the markings on the card that will actually be used in the hand. This obviously is unnecessary in the online world. Since burning a card would take a microsecond (one-millionth of a second) or two, it doesn't affect the performance of the game, either. Note that a site choosing to randomly select a card from the deck each time it wants one has no way to "burn" a card. I suppose the site could randomly select a card and then discard it. Personally, I couldn't program that with a straight face.
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Re: Online Poker: Burn & Turn?

Interesting, good question. I have always wonder about the same thing too.
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Re: Online Poker: Burn & Turn?

Doyle Brunson said that there are no burn cards at online card rooms in his book about online poker. Though some sites may use them, apparently the major ones do not. There is no reason for them.
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seriously...why would this make a difference?
Its more curiosity than anything.
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