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What's NOT Included in The New Anti-Gaming Bill

(a few things in bold / underline of patricular interest)

What's NOT Included in The New Anti-Gaming Bill
A Legal Perspective

This weekend, just before congress recessed, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-TN) finally snuck the mildest form of the anti-gaming legislation into an unrelated bill. The Safe Port Act provides $3.4 billion for U.S. port security and attached to that bill is a section making unlawful for banks to send money to Internet gambling sites or their intermediaries.
The bill passed both the House and Senate, meaning that it only awaits the president’s signature before becoming law.

Do not panic. First and foremost, this bill does not criminalize PLAYING POKER. IN fact, the bill does not speak to the poker player at all.

After 10 years, Congress finally passed something relating to online gaming. The bill basically makes it more difficult for players to put their money into an offshore site. However, these sites are not just going to walk away from a 12 billion dollar a year industry. Since the gambling businesses are beyond the hold of U.S. laws, when one funding source is blocked, they will open another.

Next, most banks and credit card companies already refuse to send money to offshore sites. Therefore, there are already offshore third-party companies in place that are more than happy to handle our financial transactions. The bill attempts to forbid financial institutions from sending money to intermediaries as well.

However, the government cannot stop its citizens from sending money out of the country for legitimate purposes. For example, if I want to buy a widget offshore, the Constitution protects my right to do so. As long as there is a third party, not involved in gaming, I am permitted to place my money in that receptacle from a U.S. financial institution and then spend it. Once my money goes to NETeller, I can buy a watch, or pay for a trip. Because there are legally allowable things that can be done after sending the money to NETeller, the government cannot tell my bank not to send my money there. Our Constitution protects one's personal right to send money from a U.S. bank or financial institution to a business outside of the United States.

The company I mentioned is the popular NETeller. Others will soon appear on the horizon. NETeller happens to be a publicly traded company on the London AIM Exchange with a user base of more than 2.3 million customers. More than 1,700 online merchants accept payments through the NETeller system, and most of those companies are not gaming sites. With corporate headquarters in the Isle of Man, the company processes billions of dollars yearly. Companies like NETeller are not going to pack up and disappear. This legislation merely encourages more of the same.

It will be fascinating to watch this issue unfold. If our government tries to stop US financial institutions from sending money to a place like NETeller, this would surely be fodder for a lawsuit.

The issue will probably be decided from a business perspective. If NETeller makes millions from non-gaming related sources and it would hurt their business if they lost US customers, they may voluntarily stop sending money to offshore sites. On the other hand, if a large portion of their business is online gaming, a lawsuit is in the making if NETeller is blacklisted.

The Secretary and the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System have 270 days (after the bill is signed by the president) to come up with enforcement policies and procedures.

You can be sure that during this period, there will be lawsuits here, while abroad, there will be plans to protect the 6-billion-dollar-a-year industry by circumventing this new law which is applicable only in the US. Our government cannot make laws that apply to offshore companies who are regulated by the government where they are located.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the offshore sites come up with programs to put large sums of money into their sites now prior to enforcement of the bill. They could offer interest or other large incentives to keep substantial sums online.

The Poker Player’s Alliance president, Michael Blocerek told me this morning that he is “outraged at the way Frist attached the anti-gaming bill to unrelated legislation at the 11th hour.” The Poker Player’s Alliance is a grass roots organization of more than 110,000 members. Bolcerek said: “During the 270 day period, we will continue to fight to exempt poker.”

There are many interesting twists and turns in this new legislation which I will analyze for our readers next week after the holidays.

Ref: http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_news...lass=PokerNews

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Re: What's NOT Included in The New Anti-Gaming Bill

Thanks Quads, much of this is what I keep saying! More feel-good legislation to make it seem like they are doing something about it. Meanwhile, I have to wait in line behind 10 people at the 7-11 buying keno cards and scratch tickets before I can buy an f'ing quart of milk! But that's ok, because its run by the government. Yeah right!
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But the problem is that sites are starting to ban US players!!!!
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Re: What's NOT Included in The New Anti-Gaming Bill

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But the problem is that sites are starting to ban US players!!!!
Where is this referenced?

I've yet to see / read about a site where a U.S. based player was unable to log on and play. I've been playing $10/20 pretty much all day at FTP. It would be silly for a site to ban a US player, seeing as the law has not been signed by the President and is not in effect as of yet.

Every site out there as of today has done extensive damage control and PR to their user base assuring them they are going to fight this issue, and that their funds are 100% safe in the meantime.
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Re: What's NOT Included in The New Anti-Gaming Bill

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Where is this referenced?

I've yet to see / read about a site where a U.S. based player was unable to log on and play. I've been playing $10/20 pretty much all day at FTP. It would be silly for a site to ban a US player, seeing as the law has not been signed by the President and is not in effect as of yet.

Every site out there as of today has done extensive damage control and PR to their user base assuring them they are going to fight this issue, and that their funds are 100% safe in the meantime.
888poker said it will ban players I believe and I KNOW that vcpoker and pokerchamps have already done so.
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888poker said it will ban players I believe and I KNOW that vcpoker and pokerchamps have already done so.
What I read (would need to dig it up) is that 888 would possibly ban players when the law went into effect, and if there was a reasonable way to enforce it.

I was not aware or had read anywhere that VC and PC already started banning players. Do you have a reference on this? This is very interesting.
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Here is a copy of a post by "actyper" at PSO as link does not work well to PSO from here.

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Might as well compile a list of of sites that ban US players

Banned
- Party Poker (once the bill is signed)
- 888 (Pacific Poker)
- All sites on the Cryptologic network (William Hill, Inter, PokerPlex, Sun, Littlewoods)
- Dream Poker (some states)
- Already existing bans (Victor Chandler, Ladbrokes, WPTOnline)
- B2B network (Martin's, Wasa, 24h, Expekt)


Undecided
- Pokerroom & ongame network
- PokerStars
- Prima/Microgaming network
- other networks (pokerhost,gamesgrid,Action,ipoker, Tribeca)
- Paradise/Sporting bet



Will Allow
- WSEX
- True Poker
- UB
- Absolute
- Bodog
- Poker.com
- Full Tilt

New Terms for Neteller, check your account.

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Re: What's NOT Included in The New Anti-Gaming Bill

http://www.londonstockexchange.com/L...926&source=RNS

that's party's statement, in which they state they'll suspend all activity from us players.
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It will be very interesting to see how this plays out once the bill is signed by Bush, and once the 250 some odd days go by until the law actually goes into effect.

I did find a reference here on Party:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15109442/
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Party's a little strange. There's a lot of political stuff going on there, too & it looks like they're trying to get themselves bought out so driving down their share price isn't necessarily bad for the primary investors if it means they can make a deal and get CA$H.

I have to disagree strongly with this statement:
Companies like NETeller are not going to pack up and disappear. This legislation merely encourages more of the same.

The problem as I see it is that companies doing NETeller like services are going to be the primary targets. I agree that this will lead to more companies trying to fill NETeller's void if they stop dealing with people in the US, but that will lead to many fly-by-night companies setting up shop, getting money in transfers, & going away never to be heard of again. The good thing with NETeller was reliability. With the uncertainty of the US law companies like this won't get big like NETeller and won't be nearly as safe.
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