[_GUN_]

to clarify, when you say push, you do mean you want him to push all-in pre-flop, right?

[Slagar]

Another awesome one. I was doing my advanced linear algebra homework and couldn't hit "I'm Back" quick enough.

Hand 1056427593, Started at 9/27/2006 1:33 AM
Table 'Cleburne': 10-20 No Limit HE (TournamentChips)
Seat 0: xjohnnyknox (1,500 in chips)
Seat 1: KKozDaHaMMa (1,500 in chips)
Seat 2: Slagar (1,500 in chips)
Seat 3: DanGolfs86 (1,490 in chips) (on the button)
Seat 4: L. Myles (1,530 in chips)
Seat 5: Wejman (1,480 in chips)
Seat 6: ZALAR-1 (1,500 in chips)
Seat 7: dahlsy (1,500 in chips)
Seat 8: two claws (1,500 in chips)
Seat 9: Klataja1 (1,500 in chips)
*** Blind Bet Round *** :
Dealt to Slagar: Ad
Dealt to Slagar: Ah
Wejman : Post Blind (20)
*** Pre-Flop *** :
ZALAR-1 : Fold
dahlsy : Fold
two claws : Fold
Klataja1 : Call (20)
xjohnnyknox : Fold
KKozDaHaMMa : Fold
Slagar : Fold
DanGolfs86 : Fold
Wejman : Check
*** Flop *** : 7c Qs 3h
Wejman : Check
Klataja1 : Check
*** Turn *** : [ 7c Qs 3h ] As
Wejman : Check
Klataja1 : Check
*** River *** : [ 7c Qs 3h As ] Kc
Wejman : Check
Klataja1 : Bet (40)
Wejman : Fold
*** SUMMARY ***
Pot: 80 | Rake: 0
Board: [ 7c Qs 3h As Kc ]
xjohnnyknox lost 0
KKozDaHaMMa lost 0
Slagar lost 0
DanGolfs86 lost 0
L. Myles lost 0
Wejman lost 20
ZALAR-1 lost 0
dahlsy lost 0
two claws lost 0
Klataja1 bet 60, collected 80, net 20


Who knows, maybe the guy made a straight on the river and I saved my tournament. It sure put me on tilt though.

[bigjohn]

Originally Posted by _GUN_

to clarify, when you say push, you do mean you want him to push all-in pre-flop, right?

No... With AKs in late position he has alot of folding equity, plus he needs to raise to fold out lesser hands. He should have raised 4-6x the BB 1,600-2,400 to fold lesser hands. Then when he hit on the flop if it was checked to him he could have pushed in the rest of his chips knowing he had the best hand with top 2 pair.. The pair of 2's that reached the set on the river would have probally folded and he would have taken down a nice pot...

[Slagar]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

You played this like a typical calling station... You should have pushed PF and definately pushed the flop....
J

I'm definitely not a calling station. I play way too tight for that. I was setting a trap and was going to push on the river. The guy with the set did first so I obviously couldn't push. From being at the same table with him for close to half an hour I put him on a pair of kings or nothing.

[bigjohn]

Originally Posted by Slagar

I'm definitely not a calling station. I play way too tight for that. I was setting a trap and was going to push on the river. The guy with the set did first so I obviously couldn't push. From being at the same table with him for close to half an hour I put him on a pair of kings or nothing.

I never said you were a calling station but you played this hand "like a typical calling station" Tight is ok but in order to make $$ you need to play TIGHT AGGRESSIVE... My .02$

[Slagar]

I had been playing aggressive, so I decided to change it up this hand. You have to do that in a tournament too. Had I pushed post flop, I either would have gotten no callers and picked up a decent pot, or the guy with the pocket 2s would have called because he was playing rather loosely and I would have been burned on the river anyways. Sometimes changing gears works for the better, sometimes it doesn't.

[_GUN_]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

No... With AKs in late position he has alot of folding equity, plus he needs to raise to fold out lesser hands. He should have raised 4-6x the BB 1,600-2,400 to fold lesser hands. Then when he hit on the flop if it was checked to him he could have pushed in the rest of his chips knowing he had the best hand with top 2 pair.. The pair of 2's that reached the set on the river would have probally folded and he would have taken down a nice pot...

so you're saying AK suited is a good hand to fold pre-flop with no raises and that he should commit 33-50% of his stack pre-flop?

you're playing a different way than anything I've ever heard of.

he had 4800 pre-flop and if he raises to 4x BB (1600), he has committed 1/3 of his stack with ace high. if he raises to 1600, he gives any caller 2-1 on a call.

I was under the assumption Matty & JoJo were saying push because a 4x BB raise takes 1/3 his stack away. if he misses, it would be a terrible play, when you consider the all-in could've possibly won it outright with no flop. I just wanted clarification from them to verify they meant push, as in all-in pre-flop.

[bigjohn]

Originally Posted by _GUN_

so you're saying AK suited is a good hand to fold pre-flop with no raises and that he should commit 33-50% of his stack pre-flop?

you're playing a different way than anything I've ever heard of.

he had 4800 pre-flop and if he raises to 4x BB (1600), he has committed 1/3 of his stack with ace high. if he raises to 1600, he gives any caller 2-1 on a call.

I was under the assumption Matty & JoJo were saying push because a 4x BB raise takes 1/3 his stack away. if he misses, it would be a terrible play, when you consider the all-in could've possibly won it outright with no flop. I just wanted clarification from them to verify they meant push, as in all-in pre-flop.

I would commit 1/3 of my stack pre-flop to it and even if all blanks hit go all in if it was checked to me... Going all in pre-flop would be good as well, being the short stack as he would have picked up 1,400 chips. This would be the 2 ways I would play the hand... I think you have misunderstood what I ment by folding equity...

[BlakeC27]

Originally Posted by Slagar

Hand 1055267656, Started at 9/26/2006 6:35 PM
Table 'Brazzaville': 200-400 No Limit HE (TournamentChips)
Seat 0: CO RET (17,280 in chips)
Seat 1: hottoddy35 (20,592 in chips)
Seat 2: Ovekamass (4,965 in chips)
Seat 3: Slagar (4,860 in chips)
Seat 4: bookmanlm (4,180 in chips) (on the button)
Seat 5: zecabudo (0 in chips)
Seat 6: Immulatin (15,530 in chips)
Seat 7: SzexyBoy87 (30 in chips)
Seat 8: Lone Wolf99 (11,060 in chips)
Seat 9: MTLDOMX (8,692 in chips)
*** Blind Bet Round *** :
Dealt to Slagar: Kd
Dealt to Slagar: Ad
Immulatin : Post Blind (400)
*** Pre-Flop *** :
SzexyBoy87 : Fold
Lone Wolf99 : Call (400)
MTLDOMX : Call (400)
CO RET : Fold
hottoddy35 : Fold
Ovekamass : Fold
Slagar : Call (400)
bookmanlm : Fold
Immulatin : Check
*** Flop *** : Ac 7d Kc
Immulatin : Check
Lone Wolf99 : Check
MTLDOMX : Bet (400)
Slagar : Call (400)
Immulatin : Call (400)
Lone Wolf99 : Call (400)
*** Turn *** : [ Ac 7d Kc ] 6d
Immulatin : Check
Lone Wolf99 : Check
MTLDOMX : Check
Slagar : Check
*** River *** : [ Ac 7d Kc 6d ] 2h
Immulatin : Bet (10,260)
Lone Wolf99 : Fold
MTLDOMX : Fold
Slagar : Call (4,060)
Slagar : All In (4,060)
*** SUMMARY ***
Pot: 17,520 | Rake: 0
Board: [ Ac 7d Kc 6d 2h ]
CO RET lost 0
hottoddy35 lost 0
Ovekamass lost 0
Slagar lost 4,860
bookmanlm lost 0
zecabudo lost 0
Immulatin bet 11,060, collected 17,520, net 6,460 Shows [ 2s 2c ] (three twos)
SzexyBoy87 lost 0
Lone Wolf99 lost 800
MTLDOMX lost 800


Should I have raised the post flop bet? Should I have bet the turn?
I finished 138 out of 1100+ and it paid the top 100.

I agree with what others are saying. Bet pre-flop, raise on the flop to see where you stand, given the pre-flop action unless somebody was slow playing Aces or Kings you've probably got the best hand and a raise will tell you if you do or not. It will also push out the draws and small pairs. Bet the turn.

Just me two cents.

[jojobinks]

Originally Posted by jojobinks

i concur with the push preflop / push flop group.

yes, i meant it.

there's already 2 people in the pot. you want everyone to fold or to race headsup. limping here isn't a slowplay or a change of gears, it's just plain bad.