[mreich]

Sorry I just realized I posted in the wrong section. Should be under strategy.....

micro limits, I know.

All feedback is welcome.

Poker Stars
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.02/$0.05
8 players
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I have the big stack here because I try to always follow Brunson's policy of having enough money on the table to gamble. I usually will not sit down unless I can buy in for at least the big stack. Plus, if the entire table is small stacked it is usually people who have already lost or are too timid to bet their hands.
Stack sizes:
UTG: $3.95
UTG+1: $3.20
HERO: $6.73
MP2: $4
CO: $4
Button: $3
SB: $4.07
BB: $4


Pre-flop: (8 players) HERO is MP1 with 4♥ K♠ T♠ K♥
UTG calls, UTG+1 raises to $0.1, HERO calls $0.1 (pot was $0.22), MP2 folds, CO calls, Button calls, SB raises to $0.28, BB folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, HERO calls $0.2 (pot was $1.1, CO calls, Button calls.

Easy calls here, I have a strong hand hoping for mid/high cards. Should I have raised?


Flop: K♣ 5♣ 4♠ ($1.73, 6 players)
SB bets $0.5, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, HERO calls $0.5 (pot was $3.23), CO folds, Button calls.

Great flop for me, especially since I also have a four, limiting options for other hands. Again, should i have raised?


Turn: 9♥ ($4.23, 5 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 is all-in $2.4, HERO calls $2.4 (pot was $6.63), Button calls all-in $2.2, SB raises all-in $3.27, UTG folds, HERO calls $0.87 (pot was $14.5).

I'm thinking this really couldn't help anyone still in so I should still have the best hand. I figured a smooth call brings in more players but I was a little concerned about what UTG+1 could have, wheel draw, flush draw or buying the pot. I was visualizing someone holding Ac2c55 or somthing of that nature giving 13 outs.


River: 3 ($15.37, 1 player + 3 all-in - Main pot: $13.03, Sidepot 1: $0.6, Sidepot 2: $1.74)

No one left to bet but this three was one of my scare cards, and now I am certain I am stuck splitting the pot with A rag of some sort


Results: posted after some feedback.

[compost kid]

Surely you lose to a 5 high straight.....however with the nut high going into the river, you gotta play.

[mreich]

Actually, trips held up and there were no lows so I scooped a monster pot(relatively speaking). I have jsut become so accustomed to trips being a min hand for PLO8 that with multiple draws an multiple players I almost folded.

They say PLO8 is the one game where it is sometimes right to fold the current nuts because of all the draws and splits. I am glad I didn't. In retrospect, I would have been more bothered had I folded only to realize I won.

UTG+1 QsQc5s6s (I now have otes about his PLO8 fish)
Button Tc5h5s6s (Trips are tough to fold)
SB 5d4dAh3c (Actually the type of hand that worried me most)

[PhilTheThrill14]

Fold Pre-Flop. It's not a strong hand. It's a one-way hand that you will very rarely have the best hand with. Then again - I play real tight O8.

[PhilTheThrill14]

Also - I would file a complaint. five 5's in the deck is not good...:0)

[hachkc]

Not much to this hand, you can't fold it, can't bet it after the flop.

KKxx is profitable in my database but just barely.

PF its a pretty loose call especially with a raise and reraise but you are double suited though I'd prefer 2 wheel cards with KK or 4 high cards (T+). I might call the raise depending on the table but definitely fold to the reraise

After the flop and then the turn, you are pretty much stuck here. The board is too scary to bet but too good to fold. I hate positions like this but you really can't fold. A raise on the turn is not a bad play as you have the nut high with redraws but there is a flush, str8 and low draw out. A raise/call could be argued either way though.

BTW, your hand details are wrong as you show a 5 on the board and 4 5's in folks hand as well as some duplicated suits. I was trying to use twodimes to look at the EV at each step but I can't type in the right values.

That being said, those appear to be some horrible raises (UTG+1, SB) and calls (Button) preflop.

[gagners]

Yeah, five 5s really changes the texture of the game...

If you were going to play that hand, based on all of the loose (read "horrible") play at that table, you raise 1/2 the pot on the flop and more on the turn. You can't continue to let people draw on you, ESPECIALLY in omaha (O8 is WORSE!!!). Letting people draw on you when you have the nuts and they have drawing hands is the absolute worst thing you can do in the game. It may be good for building a pot in HE, but in O8, it's a good way to go broke.

Alot of poeple won't even play this hand, especially with a raise in front. It's a loose play, but if you're gonna play it, you have to PLAY it. No draws allowed.

[mreich]

Originally Posted by mreich

Actually, trips held up and there were no lows so I scooped a monster pot(relatively speaking). I have jsut become so accustomed to trips being a min hand for PLO8 that with multiple draws an multiple players I almost folded.

They say PLO8 is the one game where it is sometimes right to fold the current nuts because of all the draws and splits. I am glad I didn't. In retrospect, I would have been more bothered had I folded only to realize I won.

UTG+1 QsQc5s6s (I now have otes about his PLO8 fish)
Button Tc5h5s6s (Trips are tough to fold)
SB 5d4dAh3c (Actually the type of hand that worried me most)

Sorry UTG+1 QsQcKs6s.

In the super-loose low chasing style of the micro limits. KK double suited is not bad to see the flop for cheap. But you are right. For the reasons I had difficulty calling the all-in, these can be dangerous(COSTLY) hands. I got lucky with the perfect flop some poor play. I was trying some different things which is what micro tables are for.

[hachkc]

Originally Posted by mreich

They say PLO8 is the one game where it is sometimes right to fold the current nuts because of all the draws and splits.

This statement is somewhat true IMHO but it depends on a number of things. First, if you flop a str8 with hi only, rainbow hand on a board with 2 to a flush and 2 or 3 to a low, a fold may be justified if you have no redraws (boats, etc) and are OOP.

In your case, you had a redraw to a nut (case K) and 2nd nut hi hand (top boat vs quads) plus the pot was multiway which increases your odds to make the call especially on the turn as everyone else is on a draw and no low is out.

[hachkc]

Originally Posted by mreich

KK double suited is not bad to see the flop for cheap.

^^^^^
The most important part of the hand.

Plus you want multiway on all hi only hands (which you had).