[hachkc]

PokerStars Game #4100478878: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2006/02/25 - 23:17:49 (ET)
Table 'Etheridgea' Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: XDeviltreadX ($47.70 in chips)
Seat 2: hachkc ($33.25 in chips)
Seat 3: Steelhead412 ($20.50 in chips)
Seat 5: tatankaho ($20.75 in chips)
Seat 6: jberhanuu ($46.55 in chips)
Seat 7: remith ($4.70 in chips)
Seat 8: Ja hunta ($20.30 in chips)
Seat 9: cabledoglee ($26.15 in chips)
AsydRayne will be allowed to play after the button
tatankaho: posts small blind $0.25
jberhanuu: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hachkc [7h 7s]
remith: folds
Ja hunta: calls $0.50
cabledoglee: folds
XDeviltreadX: folds
hachkc: raises $2.50 to $3
Steelhead412: folds
tatankaho: folds
jberhanuu: folds
Ja hunta: calls $2.50
*** FLOP *** [Ks 9s Td]
Ja hunta: checks
hachkc: bets $5
Ja hunta: calls $5
*** TURN *** [Ks 9s Td] [2c]
Ja hunta: checks
hachkc: checks
*** RIVER *** [Ks 9s Td 2c] [Js]
Ja hunta: checks
hachkc: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Ja hunta: shows [Jd 7d] (a pair of Jacks)
hachkc: mucks hand
Ja hunta collected $15.95 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $16.75 | Rake $0.80
Board [Ks 9s Td 2c Js]
Seat 1: XDeviltreadX folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: hachkc mucked [7h 7s]
Seat 3: Steelhead412 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: tatankaho (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: jberhanuu (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: remith folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Ja hunta showed [Jd 7d] and won ($15.95) with a pair of Jacks
Seat 9: cabledoglee folded before Flop (didn't bet)

I get in these situations alot with medium PP and am just curious. If I check the flop, I feel I've basically given up on the hand and would fold to any action. Yet if I bet the flop and get called, then what?

Just curious how folks would have played this differently or what your thoughts are on hands like this? I should note, I had only been at the table about 10mins so not much of a read on anyone.

[yeltzen]

It turned out that you played the hand perfectly. Usually Itry to get a read on people and go from there. There's a lot of people who always call a flop bet no matter what then give up if they don't hit. Others will call you down with any pair, even if it's unlikely they are behind.

[smoore]

Unless 6x is standard for you or standard for this table at the time I don't really like the huge raise preflop. With mid pairs I like to keep the pot smaller yet still maintain control of the action. I think 4x works here.

Postflop you played it perfectly, put a note on that donkey... I can't believe he check/called a nearly pot sized bet with AIR (what's he drawing to, the backdoor flush)... next time when you have AK in this spot he will pay you off

His action suggests that he hit his flush on the river and wants to c/r you... good check behind there.

[jojobinks]

i generally don't want to raise with 77.

you played it well from the flop onward, but this hand is too too familiar to me, and so i've tightened up pf with these type of hands.

[hachkc]

I tend to vary my raises between 3-6xBB. My goal with this raise was to take the pot down now but he wasn't very obliging. IMHO, 4x raise doesn't really stop a lot of folks from calling med. strength hands and such. Hell, my 6x raise couldn't get this guy off J7s OOP. I gave him every option to make up for his bad limp in EP with J7s.

Over this session I ended +$25 on him so it worked out in the long run.

[hachkc]

Originally Posted by jojobinks

i generally don't want to raise with 77.

you played it well from the flop onward, but this hand is too too familiar to me, and so i've tightened up pf with these type of hands.

Given my position and the lack of action before, I felt a call was basically throwing money away. I either need to call and hope for a set or no over cards or raise it up and take it down now or get called and see what happens from there. In EP, this is probably a limp. I agree these types of hands are frustrating which is really the point of this post.

I really need to figure out the PT data model so I can run my own queries to determine the profitability of a PF raise with med-PP where a continuation bet (flop or turn) takes the pot when flop shows 1-2 overs.

[Vitesse304]

Unless you bet the flop to see what happens, your giving up on your hand.

I would bet the flop, see the action and go from there...unless you've got a read on your table.

[w16227]

Originally Posted by smoore

Unless 6x is standard for you or standard for this table at the time I don't really like the huge raise preflop. With mid pairs I like to keep the pot smaller yet still maintain control of the action. I think 4x works here.

Postflop you played it perfectly, put a note on that donkey... I can't believe he check/called a nearly pot sized bet with AIR (what's he drawing to, the backdoor flush)... next time when you have AK in this spot he will pay you off

His action suggests that he hit his flush on the river and wants to c/r you... good check behind there.

He had a double straight draw- but still not a strong hand (calling the preflop raise with this hand is just silly).

In fact - neither st8 would be the nuts if he hit.


mimicing the other comments - the PF raise may have been a little much, but the rest of the hand was fine. Sometime we lose with proper play.

[hachkc]

It sounds like the general consensus, I played it right but should have saved a $1 by raising it to 4BB PF.

Thanks for the analysis everyone.

[yeltzen]

I like the 6BB raise before the flop, actually. 4xBB after a caller has no chance to win the pot preflop unless he's a rock. Unfortunately, you ran into an idiot who will call a big raise with J7. Normally, you'll win the pot uncontested there. When he calls and that flop comes out, though, there's not much to like. Maybe bet it like 1/3 of the time... I know he didn't have anything after you saw his cards, but that's a horrible flop for 77.