[jadillon]

Since this hand is really making me really mad, maybe one of you can tell me where I screwed it up last night. Must have been after I flopped two pair, but I'm not sure where. . . . Suggestions?

PokerStars Game #4076350238: Tournament #20171242, Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2006/02/23 - 21:33:24 (ET)
Table '20171242 2' Seat #6 is the button
Seat 2: BlondWidow (1200 in chips)
Seat 3: Dillon22 (1830 in chips)
Seat 4: DRSavage3 (1580 in chips)
Seat 5: J.5. (1440 in chips)
Seat 6: clbg571 (1480 in chips)
Seat 7: boondock96 (1480 in chips)
Seat 8: No Huevos (1490 in chips)
boondock96: posts small blind 10
No Huevos: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Dillon22 [Kc Jc]
BlondWidow: folds
Dillon22: calls 20
DRSavage3: calls 20
J.5.: calls 20
clbg571: raises 60 to 80
boondock96: folds
No Huevos: calls 60
Dillon22: calls 60
DRSavage3: folds
J.5.: calls 60
*** FLOP *** [Jh Kh 3s]
No Huevos: checks
Dillon22: bets 340
RaiderJoe40 is connected
J.5.: folds
clbg571: raises 340 to 680
No Huevos: folds
Dillon22: calls 340
*** TURN *** [Jh Kh 3s] [Td]
Dillon22: bets 220
clbg571: calls 220
*** RIVER *** [Jh Kh 3s Td] [Th]
Dillon22: checks
clbg571: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Dillon22: shows [Kc Jc] (two pair, Kings and Jacks)
clbg571: shows [Jd Js] (a full house, Jacks full of Tens)
clbg571 collected 2150 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2150 | Rake 0
Board [Jh Kh 3s Td Th]
Seat 2: BlondWidow folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Dillon22 showed [Kc Jc] and lost with two pair, Kings and Jacks
Seat 4: DRSavage3 folded before Flop
Seat 5: J.5. folded on the Flop
Seat 6: clbg571 (button) showed [Jd Js] and won (2150) with a full house, Jacks full of Tens
Seat 7: boondock96 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: No Huevos (big blind) folded on the Flop

[Slagar]

His reraise showed strength, I would have been more worried about the possible straight than trips or full house. Though I don't think he would have reraised on a straight draw.

[yeltzen]

You made one mistake in this hand. You called preflop with KJs. If you were willing to call a raise out of position with that hand, why wouldn't you just raise with it? Then, when he reraises you, you can fold it pretty easily, or at least fold on the flop after he raises you there. By just calling and then calling his raise, you have no idea what he has. He could have a pair of 6s as far as you know preflop, so of course you're going to get sucked in when you flop two pair.

[plz]

Originally Posted by yeltzen

You made one mistake in this hand. You called preflop with KJs. If you were willing to call a raise out of position with that hand, why wouldn't you just raise with it? Then, when he reraises you, you can fold it pretty easily, or at least fold on the flop after he raises you there. By just calling and then calling his raise, you have no idea what he has. He could have a pair of 6s as far as you know preflop, so of course you're going to get sucked in when you flop two pair.

I agree with yeltzen's observation. KJ suited is a pretty weak hand with which to call in your position, but if you're going to play it, come in with a raise. The pocket jacks will likely reraise, and that will help you distinguish his bet from a simple position raise. After the flop, bet about 1/2 to 2/3 of the pot; if he reraises, you should probably fold despite your two pair since you're probably up against trips.

You're destined to lose 300 - 600 chips on this hand; your goal is to keep that loss as small as possible, while maintaining your ability to win the hand if your two pair turns out to be the best hand.

[yeltzen]

Yeah, the bet on the flop was a little too much, also. Only because if you get raised like you did, you're starting to get tied to the pot if you call.

[jadillon]

Thanks guys. I think you are right on. Should have folded or reraised PF to smoke 'em out and then went too big on the bet afterward. Also, that reraise of his post-flop was the sign that I was D-E-A-D. Great point you raised that I was going to be a loser of some type though no matter what I did. But it could have been a whole lot less of a loss. Now I have greater clarity on why. And I can make something constructive out of it.

[Poboy]

Like everyone else said, the PF call from UTG+1 is bad. Raise or fold. On the flop, at first I thought you raised too much, but then counted it up and realized you basically potted it. That's perfectly fine IMO. But if you pot it, you represent quite plainly at least TPGK. If you get raised after you pot it, clearly TPGK is beat. So what's left? Top two, same as you have; a set (most likely); or because clbg is an aggr., tricky player, TPTK+FD. I don't see any other hand that would re-raise a pot bet in a big pot, again with the set as most likely given the board & PF action. You're either slightly ahead or way behind. Don't bet the turn, and if he bets big when you check, you probably should fold.

[yeltzen]

Don't forget that the raise on the flop was the MINIMUM. That's a pretty big tell, most of the time.

[Poboy]

Originally Posted by yeltzen

Don't forget that the raise on the flop was the MINIMUM. That's a pretty big tell, most of the time.

In this particular case, I don't think the fact that it was a minimum raise is all that big a tell because even the min is pretty decent sized. Anything bigger is really an all-in bet.

[SpeakEasy]

Yeltz nailed this one.

Raise PF, fold to re-raise PF. On the flop, the mini-raise only signals trouble -- a drawing hand would (ideally) raise more than the minimum.