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12-07-2005, 01:37 PM
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| | | What should your showdowns won % be?
Just curious,
for some of you guys that are more in the know than me. What should this % be? Discussion of what some of the other statistics should be would be welcome too.
While we are on the subject of statistics, who has poker tracker and is it worth getting? I don't even know the price, but those guys over on two+two are always talking about it and all the cool things it can track.
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12-07-2005, 02:02 PM
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| | | Re: What should your showdowns won % be?
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Originally Posted by Nanook Just curious,
for some of you guys that are more in the know than me. What should this % be? Discussion of what some of the other statistics should be would be welcome too.
While we are on the subject of statistics, who has poker tracker and is it worth getting? I don't even know the price, but those guys over on two+two are always talking about it and all the cool things it can track.
AB | I use the Omaha/8 version quite a bit and usually W$SD shouldn't be any lower than the low to mid 60% range. Not sure how this hold's up for Hold'em if that's the game you are playing. |
12-07-2005, 02:07 PM
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| | | Re: What should your showdowns won % be?
I find PT to be great for limit ring games. It's okay for SnG's too. For better SnG and MTT tracking, ExitOnly's spreadsheet on 2+2 is pretty good.
To answer the initial question, you should be over 50% W$SD. |
12-07-2005, 02:09 PM
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| | | Re: What should your showdowns won % be?
PT is essential, imo.
w$ at showdown: quote from here Quote: |
W$SD: won $ at showdown. Varies between 50-58. Below 50 often indicates that you are seeing too many showdowns while a number which is too high may indicate that you are folding too many winners. In limit Holdem, a pot is often quite large on the end, thus you often need to be quite sure that you don't have the best hand to make folding on the end correct.
| that's at limit. i don't know exactly what game we're talking about here. |
12-07-2005, 02:42 PM
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| | | Re: What should your showdowns won % be?
100%, if you're good. |
12-07-2005, 02:49 PM
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| | | Re: What should your showdowns won % be?
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Originally Posted by jojobinks PT is essential, imo.
w$ at showdown: quote from here
that's at limit. i don't know exactly what game we're talking about here. | Thanks for the advice jojo. I respect your advice.
I have been playing pretty much all of the cheap ($5) SNG's. I am not really sure that this is the best place to start, but it is what I am doing. My W$SD is at 53% so I guess that is pretty reasonable. I have only played about 2000 hands so all my stats are suspect.
Is this a reasonable way to start and learn with the cheap SNG's or should I be playing the micro limit games? I don't really care, but playing the cheap sng's seems to be a decent way of keeping a cap on losses.
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12-07-2005, 02:53 PM
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| | | Re: What should your showdowns won % be?
the same is so different...we're talking apples and oranges. play small sng's if you're itnerested in playing sng's. play microlimit if you're interested in playing limit.
in sng's, i don't pay attention much to my %. i notice that it's around 50% usually. the important thing, IMO, is to win lots of pots without showdowns.
winning pots preflop on the flop is really where it's at. you want to make guys lay down hands when you're strong.
unless you're really really strong...but i'm talking about the post flop nuts kinda strong, which doesn't happen very often.
generally i have many many more pots won without showdown than i do at showdown. (did that make sense) |
12-07-2005, 03:26 PM
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| | | Re: What should your showdowns won % be?
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Originally Posted by SpeakEasy 100%, if you're good. | Really?
Are you saying that if you're really good, you'll know at the river if your hand is good or not, so you fold 100% of the losing hands? Even those hands that are checked to you?
I think the real question is if you're playing well at the river. Do you make good bets/calls/folds there? For that, wouldn't you have to factor in the betting and pot odds at the river? For example, if I were consistently given 10:1 pot odds at the river and won 20% of the pots I'd be doing good, right? But if I were given 2:1 pot odds and only won 20% of the pots --- not so good.
So %won alone doesn't seem to be sufficient to characterize play at the river. Is there a better way with Poker Tracker to evaluate that, short of reviewing individual hand histories?
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12-07-2005, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by jojobinks ...you want to make guys lay down hands when you're strong.
unless you're really really strong...but i'm talking about the post flop nuts kinda strong, which doesn't happen very often.
generally i have many many more pots won without showdown than i do at showdown. (did that make sense) | Well said |
12-07-2005, 03:31 PM
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| | | Re: What should your showdowns won % be?
Like jojo said, play whatever you like, SNG or ring games. I agree that $@SD is less important in a tournament/SNG. Voluntarily Put into Pot, Pre flop aggression, Post flop aggression, and Folded to steal are probably a lot more important. I personally have only used the trial version of Poker tracker, but I think tracking play with all these stats is a great thing. It costs $55 and I think is worth it. It can be gotten free from affiliate sites, but playing SNG's exclusively you won't clear the rake required fast enough.
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