Bubble hand... mistake?

Fins · #1 (**permalink**) 12-03-2005, 12:21 AM

Saw Flop | Saw Turn | Saw River | Saw Showdown | Won

PokerStars Game #3225445980: Tournament #15960056, Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2005/12/03 - 00:15:49 (ET)
Table '15960056 3' Seat #7 is the button

BB - t11125
HERO - t3590
UTG+1 - t14315
MP1 - t6255
Button - t2570
SB - t2645

PREFLOP undefined
HERO is UTG with J

A

HERO raises t800 to t1200, 2 folds, Button raises t1345 to t2545, 2 folds, HERO calls t1345.

27 players... top 5 pay

Push... wait... line ok?

Really hated seeing this hand at this point.

SpeakEasy · #2 (**permalink**) 12-03-2005, 12:41 AM

You can't really fold this (well, you could, but its a strong hand), the raise is reasonable, and you almost have to call. I'd probably do the same thing, unless the players or history of the game led to a different conclusion.

littlebu · #3 (**permalink**) 12-03-2005, 04:10 AM

I think you have to call. I wouldn't really be feeling to good about it though. But after his raise you're getting a little better than 3-1 to call. The only way I can see laying this down is due to a strong read on the button. How had he been playing on the bubble? Tight/scared, solid/aggressive. Had he stolen a lot lately? I think this is very read dependent.

jojobinks · #4 (**permalink**) 12-03-2005, 08:44 AM

you have to call, barring some sort of ungodly read.

Fins · #5 (**permalink**) 12-03-2005, 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by littlebu

How had he been playing on the bubble? Tight/scared, solid/aggressive. Had he stolen a lot lately? I think this is very read dependent.

That was part of the problem... last of the lucky donks went out 7th & 8th. My read was tight solid but he was blind pressured. If I had gotten 2 more blind steals in & been in this position I'd felt better about it.

Thanks... Just not what I wanted to see UTG since I wanted to at least cash here. Most of my doubt came in that I fig'd there was a good chance someone would push and I'd have to call so why not just put it all in... just hoping to have an out with an unfavorable flop.

Pavel6969 · #6 (**permalink**) 12-03-2005, 11:19 AM

Easy call at the point. Strong hand, and unless you have a monster read on your opponent you have to call.

whitepotatoe · #7 (**permalink**) 12-03-2005, 11:51 AM

Even if he has AK or AQ, you are only a 70/30 dog, and you are getting 3.5 to 1. You have to call unless you know he has AA. You would prefer him to have KK, QQ, or JJ (over the AK or AQ), since your odds are slightly better of you improving and him not improving. Good play.

And what happened?

littlebu · #8 (**permalink**) 12-03-2005, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fins

That was part of the problem... last of the lucky donks went out 7th & 8th. My read was tight solid but he was blind pressured. If I had gotten 2 more blind steals in & been in this position I'd felt better about it.

I hear ya but with the blinds coming this was probably going to be your best shot at it. Sucks that the button woke up. So how did all this turn out? I'm going to make a wild stab at AK, AA, AQ, KK

jojobinks · #9 (**permalink**) 12-03-2005, 04:51 PM

this doesn't smell like a bad beat thread to me. i think he's just as likely to have a small pair, two broadway or A8+

Fins · #10 (**permalink**) 12-03-2005, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jojobinks

this doesn't smell like a bad beat thread to me. i think he's just as likely to have a small pair, two broadway or A8+

Not a bad beat... I was dominated... he had AKs.

Well given the stacks, bubble & being under the gun was just curious if any would have layed it down thinking you'd be better off wating 2-3 hands to attempt a steal.

Thanks.