How not to play quads in PLO8 (this one is mine)

hachkc · #1 (**permalink**) 10-30-2005, 09:00 AM

Started playing at UB again the other day (bonus jumping) and ran into an interesting example of how not to play quads. The villian (foos1) appears to be a fairly loose, passive (85% VP$IP, 0 PFR with only 20 hands in my PT DB). The table seems loose passive (38% VP$IP and less than 1 for PFR).

Here's the hand.
http://www.pokerhand.org/index.php?p...ew&hand=156682

Here's my thought process.

Preflop
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I have a marginal hand (so-so low, so so hi) that I limp with in MP. The villian's hand is just horrible though to limp with in any position though.

Flop (755)
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So so flop for me, oe str8 (non-nut hand) and str8 flush (nut hand) draws though my low probably won't play; I'll play it while its cheap. Foos1 min bets $1 and I call along with 2 others. I'd say he's kind of testing the waters. I put him on either a 5 or nut low draw maybe slowplaying 77 at worst (this would be a bad play). In hindsight, this probably isn't a bad bet for foos1 he has bottom trips with no low and limited redraws. If I had the 5 with not much else, I would have bet at least $2 maybe as much as $3.

Turn (755)(5)
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Scary card now. Foos1 MIN BETS AGAIN, 2 fold and I call because its still cheap, I'm a longshot draw to a monster and no one is really showing any power. With only 2 players my low doesn't look as bad now. At this point, I figure theres a good chance foos1 has the case 5 and he's slowplaying it. Worst case scenario, he has A25x with which he should still be betting harder (at least 1/4 pot bets). In hindsight, this is just a horrible play. His hand has no low and he's just begging for someone to call with a low draw and take all the profit out of the hand. If your greedy, maybe a 1/4 or 1/2 pot bet to entice a call and hope the the river brings a blank or play conservatively and pot it right now and maybe take it down now. For any decent bet, I'm out of this hand.

River (755)(5)(3)
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Woo hoo, I hit my monster. I'm just begging that he has that 5 now and not the nut low. Finally, he makes a decent bet ($13) and I raise him back all-in. He calls, shows quads and heads to the ATM. After that there was a lot of table talk about a bad beat but no one commented on how horribly he played his hand.

Suffice to say, I invested $3 (pf, flop, turn) to hit a monster and take down a $90 pot. Just goes to show, free or cheap cards can cost a lot.

w16227 · #2 (**permalink**) 10-31-2005, 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hachkc

Suffice to say, I invested $3 (pf, flop, turn) to hit a monster and take down a $90 pot. Just goes to show, free or cheap cards can cost a lot.

Great catch

Shows some of the differences between PL and limit O8. I mostly plat limit, and probably would not have even called preflop with that hand unless it was folded to me in LP or I was on the button or SB. Not enough reward potential. Plus - the obvious slowplay of this guy knocked out some of the low chasers that would have stayed in and taken half of the pot from you. In PL - the U/D SF draw was sweet - as he gave you implied pot odds to go for it (your read of him slowplaying the monster was dedad on). OK - so you knew it was a 2 outer, but he was not giving you any reason to not chase.

hachkc · #3 (**permalink**) 10-31-2005, 10:04 AM

Given that it was a loose, passive table and I was in MP/LP, I thought the hand was limp-able (suited A and 2 wheel cards). Prior to the river, this hand is folded to any sign of strength (large bet or raise).