Here is a bad beat (not mine).

hachkc · #1 (**permalink**) 10-26-2005, 12:18 PM

http://www.pokerhand.org/index.php?page=view&hand=1799

Here are the odds after the flop:

Results:Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing Ac 2d Ah
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Ad 989 99.90 1 0.10 0 0.00 0.999
Qh Jh 1 0.10 989 99.90 0 0.00 0.001

Let the lesson be, never slowplay A's even when you have 4 of them.

jojobinks · #2 (**permalink**) 10-26-2005, 12:57 PM

this is not only a bad beat...i believe it's the worst beat.

is there any possible worse one?

Pavel6969 · #3 (**permalink**) 10-26-2005, 01:26 PM

I think that is the absolute worst bad beat you could get. But that is what you get for letting the guy chase to the river. Check after the flop was poor imo. The villian calling after the check/raise on the turn wasn't a good move, too much money to pay to be on a draw imo.

Definately sucks, I guess a straight flush losing to the royal would be worse, but that one you could probably see coming a lot easier than losing with 4 aces to a royal

PTjvs · #4 (**permalink**) 10-26-2005, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Pavel6969

Check after the flop was poor imo.

Not sure I agree with this. After this flop, you have the deck absolutely crippled, and you almost HAVE to give the other guy a chance to catch something to call with. Yes, this is the statistical worst possible beat. (needing 2 specific cards on turn/river to win). I have done this online in limit one time (running underquads vs. top set), but obviously it's ridiculously rare.

jvs

w16227 · #5 (**permalink**) 10-26-2005, 01:33 PM

I must admit - this is the one of the first "bad beat" stories that I would actually consider to be a bad beat.

Thats gotta sting - and of course no bad beat jackpot on stars.

Runner runner royal

turn call was insane, though, calling 240 into what - a 280 pot?

JM · #6 (**permalink**) 10-26-2005, 01:56 PM

Well technically it wouldn't be the worst possible bad beat. You could have 89suited and other guy has AKsame suit and flop is 10 J Q same suit. Straight flush beat by royal flush.

I think this one would be worse though since you made 4 aces on the flop and the royal flush wouldn't even enter your mind at that point. I wonder if this really happened though, the odds would be astronomical.

jojobinks · #7 (**permalink**) 10-26-2005, 02:20 PM

in your example, you're drawing dead on the flop.

hard to call that a bigger bad beat than the one that flops a (nearly) unbeatable hand.

hachkc · #8 (**permalink**) 10-26-2005, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by PTjvs

Not sure I agree with this. After this flop, you have the deck absolutely crippled, and you almost HAVE to give the other guy a chance to catch something to call with. Yes, this is the statistical worst possible beat. (needing 2 specific cards on turn/river to win). I have done this online in limit one time (running underquads vs. top set), but obviously it's ridiculously rare.

jvs

I tend to agree. You either bet that flop and take down a small pot or check and hope the other guy catches something, in this case he did by a mile. I agree that turn call was bad but he was drawing to a flush and a royal and for some folks that's enough. He may have figured that with no pfr, the bettor only had a poor Ax. A lot of folks would have slow played this hand without a 2nd thought. Hell, I would do it everytime.

JM · #9 (**permalink**) 10-26-2005, 02:23 PM

Ok, change it around a little. Flop = 7 10 J same suit. Make the river the Q. I'm looking at it as a worse beat because of the odds of hitting a str8 flush vs 4ok.

hachkc · #10 (**permalink**) 10-26-2005, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by JM

Well technically it wouldn't be the worst possible bad beat. You could have 89suited and other guy has AKsame suit and flop is 10 J Q same suit. Straight flush beat by royal flush.

I wouldn't call that a bad beat. I would define a bad beat as being significantly ahead and then losing. In the case above, AA was ahead 99.9% after flop and lost.