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Old 10-17-2005, 07:40 AM
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Question Where oh where to play?

Ok, I'll admit it. I am a cash game newbie. Yes, its sad to say, but the truth must come out.

I play with a group (brainsturgeon.com) for fun over at UB, not money games, and I'm almost convinced that I should get involved a little more and play some low level cash games. The problem is where to play.

UB has a great interface, and I'm used to the setup there. But after reading a bunch of the post here about the NJ chip offer, and seeing that there is a (weekly?) game with the Chiptalk folks at poker stars I don't know where to go.

I want friendly games, no 4 people all in on the first hand. I'd rather play a SnG or tourny then ring games. Hold em or Ohmaha would be my first chaice of games.

I'm new, not a bad player (read fish), so who has some good honest advice for me about where to play and why? Oh, and this is not a troll, just looking for some opinons and to see what others think before making my decision.

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Old 10-17-2005, 08:14 AM
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Re: Where oh where to play?

If you don't want 4 people all in on the first hand, play $100+9 sit 'n gos. No guarantees ever there, though.
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Old 10-17-2005, 08:38 AM
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Re: Where oh where to play?

I'm new, not rich. Seriously, I thought that once you got to real money games people were not quite so crazy.
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Old 10-17-2005, 08:41 AM
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Re: Where oh where to play?

i play $10+1s, and i rarely see even one player busted in the first 3 hands. this is on Poker stars...
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Re: Where oh where to play?

Some quick summaries:

POKERSTARS
The best tournamnet players are on Pokerstars. Even the low level SnGs are decent (but beatable). The ring games there are tougher than other sites, but they have many cash levels so that you can drop to the "fishy" .10/.20 limit if you want to hone your game. They also have added some lower limit SnGs if you bankroll is tight (like $2-20 player or something like that). SnGs use timed blind increases as well. If you intent to concentrate on strictly tournament play, then this is the place to play. The competition is better - so you will get better playing there.

They also have the best customer service out there.

Drawbacks - they do not offer many signup bonuses- or have an affiliate program offering incentives to open an account.

PARTYPOKER
Largest site on the net - with the fishiest players. Good cash games. OK tournament ones. The low level SnGs are BAD as they charge twice the vig as Stars ($5 + $1 vs $5+$.50). This makes them much harder to beat for a profit. Also, the structure for the SnGs are geared for a faster game. You only get 800 in chips to start with blinds rising every 10 hands.

They also have many bonuses and incentives. Make sure to use an affiliate ( pokersourceonline is a good one) and you can get extra "stuff". Several members here have used PSO for a 300 piece nevada jacks chipset. The affiliates are in addition to the site bonusts, so you get a double incentive.

PACIFIC
Very soft low limit games (at least uup to 3/6). No multitabling (playing more than one table at once) helps limit the sharks at any given table. Outdated software and interface give it a clunky look. Decent SnG games and tournaments. The software is BUGGY. Many players do not play there for this reason alone. Random disconnects and freezes hapen - sometimes often. This is usually linked to your hardware setup, so your experience may be different. Me- I have some 2-3 hour sessions with no issues. Sometimes, I have 2-3 missed hands in a half hours time due to random problems. For me, the soft games definately make up for it.

They also offer affiliate bonusses ( pokersourceonline).

Ultimatebet:
I have not played there much. Decent software and interface, and the player base is supposed to be better than average.

There are others - but you could do much worse than the ones listed above. Party and Stars are the two biggest - and the most "established" (they are the least likely to dissappear anytime soon). UB may be good for you as well, since you are already used to the interface.

If you want to play tournaments (and the CT weekly game), start at stars. If you are looking for softer games - Party.

Some blantant reality here. Make sure you are playing with money that you are not afraid to lose. I will not sugarcoat this, your first deposit will most lilely be used to line the pockets of other players. Playing for fun vs real money are two entirely different ballgames. If you have 100 or 200 thay you are willing to LOSE, give it a shot. Do not risk any cash that you need for other things. This will help you play relaxed, which should hopefully help you to win. $200 will give you ~ 36 $5 SnGs which is a lot of cardplaying.

Also, check out a book or two from the library. Discussions here are great for learning, but a good solid knowlegde base helps you to pull more from the discussions. A great first book would be Sklansky, Theory of Poker. OK, kind of reads like stereo instructions, but has tons of useful knowledge.
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Re: Where oh where to play?

Thanks w16227, this is what I was looking for. I realise that getting started is likely to cost me some money. Hopefully not to much . I have read Slansky, Harrington, etc and played with my online group. While they tend to be a bit conservitive the level of play is fairly high. I'lll take it easy to start with, and decide if it is something that I want to stick with before getting very far into it.

Stars sounds interesting, might have a look at it. I need to set up a neteller account and all before that so it will be a bit before I get started. I saw a lot of talk about the PSO offering. Does it apply to Stars as well?
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Re: Where oh where to play?

FWIW... I find the play on UB significantly tougher as compared to pokerstars but I think the interface is much better at least quicker! Unfortunately I don't care for the way they've set up the SnG signups though seems to increase the time to get a game as comapred to the old system. Started out playin' the $1.10's but now the wait times are ridiculous but they still have 'em. I don't think SnG's count for any Freq. Plyr Points... only cash games I believe.
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Re: Where oh where to play?

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Thanks w16227, this is what I was looking for. I realise that getting started is likely to cost me some money. Hopefully not to much . I have read Slansky, Harrington, etc and played with my online group. While they tend to be a bit conservitive the level of play is fairly high. I'lll take it easy to start with, and decide if it is something that I want to stick with before getting very far into it.

Stars sounds interesting, might have a look at it. I need to set up a neteller account and all before that so it will be a bit before I get started. I saw a lot of talk about the PSO offering. Does it apply to Stars as well?
Good - you are already well read so you are not jumping in blind.

Stars does not use affiliates - so no extra bonus links. They also do not usually have any 1st time deposit bonus, though they mwy be running one right now (the bonus is good for anyone).

The PSO offers usually require a certain # or raked hands - and this is somewhat difficult to do with tournament play (they give you almost no credit for the $5 or $10 SnG). So Stars may be a good place to start since you seem to like tournament play a little more. Once your feet are wet and (hopefully) your bankroll higher, then you can try for some of the extra affiliate bonuses.

Get a seperate checking account to link to the Neteller account. Many banks have the no-fee ones. You can probably open one with your existing bank online or over the phone. This way - you do not link directly to one of yur accounts. Helps keep the poker bankroll seperate, and your main account safe.
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Re: Where oh where to play?

I like the variety of games at UB, but not crazy about much else there. Party has the largest concentration of jackasses, so probably not the place to play if you don't want to see 4 people all-in on the first hand. Pacific is pretty soft and has good amount of tournies, but the software is not too slick. PS is pretty good all around.

Wherever you play, definitely go thru an affiliate so you get something free for your trouble. If you're looking to improve your play, I'd go thru pokersourceonline.com" target="_blank">www. pokersourceonline.com and select the free poker academy pro software option and then pick a poker room to try. Get yourself a neteller account as well, you'll need that to fund your account and get paid (www.neteller.com).
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I concur with w16227's assessment of the sites he mention. If you are looking to make more in the long run, Party & Pacific are the room to be in. A good way to start would be to do the PSO NJ promo thru party.

Following is a useful link that compares the various site. I don't reccomend sign up thru that sites tho, doesn't seem to give you any more extra while PSO will give you something for signing thru them.

http://www.bonuswhores.com/bonus-grid.php
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