[Wooderson]

I know many of you play limit HE.

Anyone play micro-limits? I thought I had it figured out - I took $1,78 to $15.58 in three days, roughly 600 hands.

In the last three days I'm down to $9.50 after another 350 hands! AND I'm playing tighter!

One think I have noticed though is that fish seem to win at this level and all others are losing or even.

Thoughts?

[Phaetos]

I find micro-limit and limit games hard to play. If the cost is small enough, they will chase anything and everything all the way to the river. You lose ALOT with high pockets. You have to open your starting hands up to mostly suited and connected mid-cards. You have a higher chance of hitting a better hand with your starting card lowered.

[yeltzen]

Micro limits are very easy to beat. You just can't play like you would in a sit'n'go. You have to play a LOT more hands that you would figure. Hands like J9s, Q9s, 54s, etc are all playable since there's almost always 5-6 players seeing the flop. The swings will be enormous though (compared to the BB).

[dad604]

How tight or loose to play depends on the kind of players at table. You can assume that it will be family pot. If it is passive table with little raising then open up and go with more drawing hands. If it is aggressive table with raises, re raises, play tight.

Also not everyone is a fish. I know a few big time players who go down to the micro limits when they go on tilt. The smart ones do anyway. Cheaper tilting at micro than the big games.

[VARoadstter]

Originally Posted by Wooderson

I know many of you play limit HE.

Anyone play micro-limits? I thought I had it figured out - I took $1,78 to $15.58 in three days, roughly 600 hands.

In the last three days I'm down to $9.50 after another 350 hands! AND I'm playing tighter!

One think I have noticed though is that fish seem to win at this level and all others are losing or even.

Thoughts?

Microlimit is different in that you will often be able to play a lot of hands based on the amount of dead money in the pot. If you are having trouble making money this is the first thing I would look at. Forget about sitting back and waiting for Group 1-3 hands. In late position, you can often play just about any holding (justifiably).

Value bet like crazy. Check-raise for value. Don't slowplay, you'll leave money on the table. Understand that AA is trash in a multiway pot when the flop is coordinated but doesn't help you. Call a bet on the end even if you miss your draw as long as you have high card strength. The amount of money you save with "smart laydowns" on the river will not make up for the pots you get bluffed off of.

Finally, figure out what your opponents will play. Just about every player at the microlevel is either very aggressive (tight or loose) or a calling station. Use table selection when playing online. You should simply never need to play against "tough" competition. If the table isn't to your liking, move. There is always one that is +EV just waiting for you to jump on.

It doesn't surprize me that the tighter you play, the less you make. I know that every poker book suggests tight play but this is a relative thing. If the others at your table are gambling it up you should be in there when you have position in your favor. The hands you hit will be monsters and your big hands will get more action as others will think you'll play just about anything.

Don't confuse the above with playing stupid. The extra action you give will only occur when the pots are huge and/or multiway. If a hand is playing 2-3 to the flop, then play it "normally".

[jojobinks]

Originally Posted by VARoadstter

Microlimit is different in that you will often be able to play a lot of hands based on the amount of dead money in the pot. If you are having trouble making money this is the first thing I would look at. Forget about sitting back and waiting for Group 1-3 hands. In late position, you can often play just about any holding (justifiably).

Value bet like crazy. Check-raise for value. Don't slowplay, you'll leave money on the table. Understand that AA is trash in a multiway pot when the flop is coordinated but doesn't help you. Call a bet on the end even if you miss your draw as long as you have high card strength. The amount of money you save with "smart laydowns" on the river will not make up for the pots you get bluffed off of.

Finally, figure out what your opponents will play. Just about every player at the microlevel is either very aggressive (tight or loose) or a calling station. Use table selection when playing online. You should simply never need to play against "tough" competition. If the table isn't to your liking, move. There is always one that is +EV just waiting for you to jump on.

It doesn't surprize me that the tighter you play, the less you make. I know that every poker book suggests tight play but this is a relative thing. If the others at your table are gambling it up you should be in there when you have position in your favor. The hands you hit will be monsters and your big hands will get more action as others will think you'll play just about anything.

Don't confuse the above with playing stupid. The extra action you give will only occur when the pots are huge and/or multiway. If a hand is playing 2-3 to the flop, then play it "normally".

summary: read, study, and seek to implement the advice included in small stakes hold em, by ed miller.

i play microlimit, and i beat it handily. they do chase, and big pockets lose more than i'd like. but i play better hands than they do, i understand the strength of my made hands and draws better than they do, and as a result, i win.

[Wooderson]

Originally Posted by dad604

Also not everyone is a fish.

What I meant what not the experience, but the play. Very loose, very passive. Only raises a monster.

These folks might be the seasoned pros and they are just adjusting to what seems to work (which seems to be a fish strategy).

[yeltzen]

You don't need to read anything.
You probably just need to loosen up and play a few more hands and build huge pots when you flop a big draw (flush draw or straight flush draw) with a lot of people in the hand with you and only slowplay when you flop the nut set or better. That's really all there is to low limit games. It's not brain surgery like a lot of people make it out to be.

[coyote]

I thought you said you usually lose online...?

[yeltzen]

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