[SteveA]

Seat #3 is the button
Seat 2: norcal1217 (1955 in chips)
Seat 3: mwillard39 (1470 in chips)
Seat 4: sportfreak16 (1230 in chips)
Seat 5: steveumfleet (2915 in chips)
Seat 6: Lakeside7 (600 in chips)
Seat 7: dewberry10 (1635 in chips)
Seat 8: dadofthree3 (2035 in chips)
Seat 9: SteveA (1660 in chips)
sportfreak16: posts small blind 15
steveumfleet: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SteveA [Qc Kc]
Lakeside7: folds
dewberry10: folds
dadofthree3: folds
SteveA: raises 90 to 120
norcal1217: folds
mwillard39: folds
sportfreak16: calls 105
steveumfleet: calls 90
*** FLOP *** [Ac 6s 3s]
sportfreak16: checks
steveumfleet: bets 120
SteveA: raises 360 to 480
sportfreak16: folds
steveumfleet: calls 360
*** TURN *** [Ac 6s 3s] [Jc]
steveumfleet: bets 240

[coyote]

I probably just call here. You're drawing to a club or ten (possibly not the 10 of spades though) so that's 11 clean outs. Personally I think you have 12 outs and the opponent has an A that he's not folding to your all-in push.

[scottwire]

I fold the flop. Villian has you covered and if he has an ace he's not going anywhere to your raise. Once you hit the turn you have the odds to call. Fold the river when you miss and he bets.

[w16227]

What is the game (SnG??) site and stakes? Makes a difference.

Also - any knowledge on these players? Are they aggressive/passive/manical bluffers? Play any A?

Raise 3x the BB is good. 2 callers = bad. You have ~ 360 in the pot.

The reraise on the flop was questionable. BB bets into you after calling the preflop raise - and you can ONLY beat a pure bluff. His preflop call was a sign of strength - and his bet now shows strength. It is a smallish bet - only 1/3 of the pot. If this guy has any skills at all, then he is most likely looking for a call. Probably has the flush draw with an A??? (pure guess).

OK - you are getting 4:1 for a call. Figure he is bluffing ~ 10% of the time, so you need like a 10% chance of winning to stay in. Not entirely unreasonable.

Reraise of 360 is a problem. If you think that he is bluffing - just call. You can try and take it down on the turn if he checks - and you may pick up cards to get more outs.

Pot now has 1320in it.

Turn helps you .

He bets 240 - 6.5: 1 odds (pot is 1660). You have to call now.

You have 10 guaranteed outs ( 7 spades and 3 tens) that give you the nuts. 3 more outs to a strong hand - but non nuts (FH and his potential flush). 10 outs gives you better than 4:1 on your money.

This is one of those situations where you made a poor move on the flop with the reraise- but now need to call the turn as it has become the proper move due to your hand improving.

For me - 50/50 on just calling the flop. Given the exact situation you have, call the turn and hope your hand hits as you have a lot invested now.

[TheMightyJim2k]

you have to call.... you are getting odds to with the straight and flush draw.

If he has the A then you made a very bad play with the reraise on the flop, but now he has made a mistake as he is giving you drawing odds ont he turn.

Some would argue that you reraise on the possibility that he is bluffing or might lay down Alittle, but that is a really bad move. With any A he is going to call and is pot committed, and if he really is bluffing you likely have the best hand and he will check it to you on the river and you can just check it down and scoop the pot.

only one move here, that is a call.....


however that was a very poor raise on the flop. No draws and no pair when it is likely you are up against a pair of A's. turn was a lucky break but still may cost you a lot of chips.

[SteveA]

This was a $5 SnG, and I saw him as tight aggressive.

I re-raised on the flop because I put him on a A with a weak kicker - if he had a A with a face card he would have raised pre flop. I thought he would lay it down because I had shown some good hands with tight aggressive play, and would be representing an AK.

On the turn I counted 13 outs for the nuts (9 clubs and 4 10's). I pushed all in.

He called and showed an 8d As. His hand held up.

[TheMightyJim2k]

if you take out the possibility of a spade flush then you still only have 12 outs, as you cant count the 10 c as both a flush and a straight out.


and because you have to worry about a possible spade flush you should probably only count the 10s as half an out.

so you really had 11.5 outs. With 1 card to come you have 11.5 out of 47 which is less than 25% chance to win the hand. The pot was 1560 and his bet was 240 so you definitely had odds to call. But a reraise was not necessary, especially not all in.

you had only bet 500 of your 1660, and a call would have still given you more than enough chips with blinds of 15 and 30. A call gives you good odds, but for an all-in bet to be profitable

if you have about a 22% chance of winning if he calls you will be investing 1160 (your remaining stack) to win 2720. This is not a profitable play (about -305 expectation). in order for this to be profitable he must fold at least 60% of the time to your all in bet (positive expectation of 312) for this to be a profitable play in the long run. It is very unlikely that with top pair (as you put him on) , as the bigger stack, getting 2.5 to 1 odds that he is going to fold this hand 60% of the time.

A call is a profitable play, but a reraise would only be profitable if you had reraised to 500 or so assuming he would fold about 30-40% of the time.

all in reraise was not a profitable play.

[jojobinks]

i fold the flop. i also limp preflop from middle position with the blinds so small.

i'd call the turn, given the previous action. but pushing doesn't seem to be an option (imho).

[w16227]

Originally Posted by TheMightyJim2k

if you take out the possibility of a spade flush then you still only have 12 outs, as you cant count the 10 c as both a flush and a straight out.

oops - did that with my analysis - counted the 10 twice


did not really affect the "call" recommendation on the turn, though, as you still had the odds for a call

[ThorCavalier]

Not to beat the point to death or anything, but I think a call on the turn is the only reasonable move. Then you have to fold to any bet on the river if your hand doesn't improve. He's obviously not going to be pushed off of this one.