Question about a ruling.

[ige14]

I was playing a cash game in a casino. We were playing Holdem and the dealer dealt an extra card to the small blind. A couple of people folded when the small blind picks up his cards, looks at them and said " I have an extra card." He throws his cards in, as do a couple of other players thinking its a misdeal. Dealer says "Time, action is here." (some where in middle position) People say it was a misdeal. Dealer calls the floor. The manager said action has already begun and to continue the hand.

Now my question is. If it's only a misdeal on the first two dealt cards, what happens when it comes back to the small blind. Lets say the person mixed up the cards and doesn't know which was the last one dealt. Also would this be the same ruling in a tournament?

Thanks

[cdnmoose]

Once two people act after the blinds in a button game, which includes limping or folding, a misdeal can not be called. The hand with the incorrect number of cards is dead. If it was noticed before that, then it is a misdeal.

[Mango]

Originally Posted by cdnmoose

The hand with the incorrect number of cards is dead

So if you are a SB or BB you lose it, bad luck?

[djexacto]

Originally Posted by Mango

So if you are a SB or BB you lose it, bad luck?

Say something before two people act.

[ericmalone]

What happens with the burn, since, technically the burn would be in the mucked hand... burn another?

[Double Eagle]

It is the player's responsibility to confirm he has the correct number of cards. Once there has been significant action, a misdeal can not be declared.

[cgraham86]

Originally Posted by cdnmoose

Once two people act after the blinds in a button game, which includes limping or folding, a misdeal can not be called. The hand with the incorrect number of cards is dead. If it was noticed before that, then it is a misdeal.

^this

Rotten luck, but you can usually tell by keeping your hands on the table to catch your cards during the deal, but only look at them once the action comes around to you. This way you don't find out the ugly truth after the entire table has had a chance to get into the hand.

Sucks, but could have easily been someone else.

[Biceman]

Yeah, this just happened in our home game Friday night. I wasn't even sure if there had been action - definitely only folds if there was - so it wasn't worth making a big deal over. What am I gonna do hold onto my cards and take down the $3 in blinds? I did explain to everyone that the hand is valid once there's been action and the player's hand with 3 cards is dead. Although if it had come up I'm not sure if I could have defined exactly what constituted that.

Here's a question though: when I'm UTG with an unplayable hand, my cards are usually in the muck before the dealer has all the cards out. I could easily see UTG+1 also having his cards in right after me before the button gets his 2nd card, or at least before the SB would have even the bare minimum time required to announce that he'd been given a 3rd card. So, if the two folds constitute significant action meaning it can't be a misdeal, is he still just out of luck even though he noticed and said something immediately? I guess if it's clear which card was on top, you'd just pull that back.

[ige14]

So is the small blind hand dead?

[Blaster]

If the SB hadn't yet looked at them, the dealer could have pulled 1 at random as the burn ... Although this could vary by house rules ...