[BigKyle]

In a .25-.50 game the other night, there was a straddle for a buck and the next player raised to $3.50. Action folded around to the big blind who pulls out his two .25 chips and starts counting out $1 chips for what looks like a raise. He thinks for about 15 seconds then mucks and tosses those two chips back in the pot. Some of the other players complain. They say he should have to at least call. I do not know what the rule is here, but he certainly gets to gauge the other players' reactions with a move like that. What should the call be?

[imthatguy]

If he pulled chips out, he's making a play. Consider that a call.

[ACE'S FULL]

I am not sure on the official rule- but to me that is at a minimum a call. He pulled chips back and then acted as he was going to raise then folded at a minimum he would have to call at my game.

[whataboutj]

I agree - as soon as he pulls his BB chips back he is making a call at the minimum. Same concept as putting a chip in that is more than the bet amount without declaring a raise - The action is considered a call not a raise.
J

[NoFear]

Originally Posted by BigKyle

In a .25-.50 game the other night, there was a straddle for a buck and the next player raised to $3.50. Action folded around to the big blind who pulls out his two .25 chips and starts counting out $1 chips for what looks like a raise. He thinks for about 15 seconds then mucks and tosses those two chips back in the pot. Some of the other players complain. They say he should have to at least call. I do not know what the rule is here, but he certainly gets to gauge the other players' reactions with a move like that. What should the call be?

It is a home game. Rule could be anything. IMO if he place the additional chip on the BB then it is in. IMO you should have a betting line.

[jojobinks]

i don't get why this should be a call.

you can do a million things and gauge a reaction...most of them don't compel you to call. you can finger some big chips, feint a shove, stare guys down, whatever. he didn't put anything in the pot and didn't verbally declare. so i'd allow the muck.

i'm interested to see if there's anything in robert's rules that covers this though.

[imthatguy]

But once he pulled chips out (and since that's a forced blind - not his money any more) that would lead me to believe he was making a call or a raise. Not just doing something to get a tell...

[24tex24]

Originally Posted by jojobinks

i don't get why this should be a call.

you can do a million things and gauge a reaction...most of them don't compel you to call. you can finger some big chips, feint a shove, stare guys down, whatever. he didn't put anything in the pot and didn't verbally declare. so i'd allow the muck.

i'm interested to see if there's anything in robert's rules that covers this though.

I agree that you can do a million things to gauge a reaction; however, when he acted upon the pot by (a) removing his BB and therefore implying that he was at least going to call (since he must put chips back into the pot), or (b) adding chips to the pot (via a call or raise), he is obligated to call at a minimum.

We would require a call in the home games I play in.

[BigKyle]

BTW I feel certain the guy wasnt angle shooting, I was just saying that it could definitely be construed as such. I couldnt find anything definitive in the rule book.

[dasquared]

I agree with most here - should be a call. But someone mentioned throwing in a chip too large as a reference. Doesn't the $$$ of the chip versus the bet also come into the mix in that situation? I thought that...never mind, I'll re-read and not hijack this thread....sorry...I say it's a call at least because he did make a "play" with chips that were in the pot - the BB...but I don't think this is specifically addressed in RRoP...