[Bluegrass Poker]

Ok, here's the situation. Blinds are 100/200 (level 4). UTG raises to 600. I'm in MP and throw out 2 purple chips for a total of 1000. (Ignore the fact I made a min-raise since I wasn't paying attention to the fact that UTG raised to 600).

Player 2 seats to my left tries to tell me I can't raise it to 1000 that I have to make it 1200 to go since UTG made it 600. My position was that UTG only raised it 400 so my raise had to be at least 400 more which would be 1000. He said that UTG made it 600 so the next raise had to be at least 600 more for a total of 1200. I was pretty sure I was right but argument was somewhat heated (table are all good friends so it can get heated and immediately forgotten after the hand.) What was the amount I had to raise to make a proper raise?

Second, I threw out 2 purple chips which were 500 each. Another player tries to tell me that could have constituted a call had I not said raise since it was an overchip. I disagree and state the oversize chip rule applies only when 1 oversize chip is placed into the pot. He stated that since I could have placed those same chips out for a call that it would have been a call (assuming I hadn't said raise which everyone was in agreement that I did.) What is your thought on this scenario.

I think I was correct in both but if not I'd like to know so I don't make incorrect rulings in the future since I host the game and am the default TDA.

[squiggly]

You were correct on both counts. Don't you hate being right and not able to convince the other guy? lol

[UsIreland]

No.1 It depends on where your playing.

No. 2 It depends on where your playing.

I've seen and played in card rooms where the minimum raise is twice the previous bet i.e. Blinds 1-2 raise to 6 min raise is to 12. I've also played in places where the minimum raise is the difference between the last two bets i.e. Blinds 1-2 raise to 6 min raise is to 10. The third one and most bizare one of the lot is the rule that our local casino tried and quickly abandoned, the minimum raise is the difference between the smallest and biggest bets i.e. Blinds 1-2 raise to 6 min raise is to 11 (6-1 = 5 + 6 =11).

No 2 is a much tougher one. I personally would go by the world series rule, I'm too lazy to look up the rule but basically it says that if you throw out the amount to call and atleast half the chips to raise then you must make a full raise. i.e. Blinds 1-2 raise to 6 you throw out 9, you must make the minimum raise which is to 12(assume twice the previous bet rule), however if you throw out 8 chips the rule is call.

This is the perfect example of where house rules really should be made 100% clear before the game starts even in a friendly game.

Regards
Ian

[Bluegrass Poker]

Originally Posted by squiggly

You were correct on both counts. Don't you hate being right and not able to convince the other guy? lol

I offered a friendly wager on it but he declined.

[stalee 679]

I actually think you were wrong on both counts.

[Bluegrass Poker]

Ian, we generally follow TDA rules. I sent some of the players a copy of rules 11 and 26 from TDA which I believe supported my case but wanted to get some other opinions.

I agree that where you are playing can make all the difference. Luckily we've all been playing together long enough and under the same general rules assumptions that we rarely every have a rules disagreement. I do need to appoint someone to act as TD on situations where I am involved in the hand though. It blew over quickly as the guy questioning my raise folded and the original raiser called and then folded to my continuation bet on the flop.

That third scenario you mentioned is pretty bizarre I can see why it didn't last that long. That would be confusing to me.

Originally Posted by UsIreland

No.1 It depends on where your playing.

No. 2 It depends on where your playing.

I've seen and played in card rooms where the minimum raise is twice the previous bet i.e. Blinds 1-2 raise to 6 min raise is to 12. I've also played in places where the minimum raise is the difference between the last two bets i.e. Blinds 1-2 raise to 6 min raise is to 10. The third one and most bizare one of the lot is the rule that our local casino tried and quickly abandoned, the minimum raise is the difference between the smallest and biggest bets i.e. Blinds 1-2 raise to 6 min raise is to 11 (6-1 = 5 + 6 =11).

No 2 is a much tougher one. I personally would go by the world series rule, I'm too lazy to look up the rule but basically it says that if you throw out the amount to call and atleast half the chips to raise then you must make a full raise. i.e. Blinds 1-2 raise to 6 you throw out 9, you must make the minimum raise which is to 12(assume twice the previous bet rule), however if you throw out 8 chips the rule is call.

This is the perfect example of where house rules really should be made 100% clear before the game starts even in a friendly game.

Regards
Ian

[ky70]

You are right on both counts.

Situation #1 - This is basic stuff and is understood by everyone who knows the basic rules.

Situation #2 - The oversize chip rule only applies to a single chip being released in the pot without verbal declaration...since you released 2 chips into the pot, this rule would not apply and you would be required to bet the value of the chips released in the pot since you didn't make a verbal declaration. But this is according to RROP and TDA...a casino may rule differently, but in my game you're right.

[BPTDirector]

I think you were correct on both rulings since you said I raise, but on the second point if you would not have said Raise, the two 500 chips would have constituted a call in most casinos I've played at in Vegas.

The first raise was for 400, so you raised again 400 more, it can't get much more simple than that.

BPT

[Harlequin011]

You are right on both counts.

1. Classic poker rules that noobs screw up.

2. Overchip applies to only 1 chip. Thats the reason it is there. When you reach for two overchips, that is a raise, and yes it counts.

If the future verbalize your bets . Tell your buddies they have to wear their underwear on the outside of his pants for the rest of the tourney for challenging the TD and being wrong.

Good thing your the TD.

[tomb1]

Originally Posted by Harlequin011

You are right on both counts.

1. Classic poker rules that noobs screw up.

2. Overchip applies to only 1 chip. Thats the reason it is there. When you reach for two overchips, that is a raise, and yes it counts.

Yup and yup.