Counting down

MeridianFC · #1 (**permalink**) 07-02-2007, 03:12 PM

Just idly thinking thoughts poker when this popped into my head. When someone asks you for a count of your stack what is legally required? I've seen folks even up their stakes and verbally declare ("about $XXXXXXX"), I've seen folks just neaten up the stacks and do nothing, I've seen folks line up their stacks for the questioner to count, etc. There are some rules in play about keeping large denom chips in front. In that one of the most common reasons for asking for a chip count is to get a tell what is the person asked actually required to do?

Doesn't seem to be anything in Roberts about this.

Stocktrader · #2 (**permalink**) 07-02-2007, 03:18 PM

I believe any player can ask at any time.
You could make an approx guess, but if asked to get an ACTUAL count, then you gotta count it down.

HappyCat · #3 (**permalink**) 07-02-2007, 03:20 PM

I believe as long as the chips are clearly in display then the player is not *oblidged* to count them or help in any way. If the player does offer to count the chips then its bad form to pretend to count and deliberately give an inacurate figure, but again - not sure there are hard and fast rules in this area.

The best advice if you want an acurate count (and are not trying to 'get a read') is to ask the *dealer* to count the chips.

Stocktrader · #4 (**permalink**) 07-02-2007, 03:26 PM

Oh yes, it is the dealers responsibility. I was thinking more along the lines of a home game.

dad604 · #5 (**permalink**) 07-02-2007, 03:52 PM

In a NL game, anyone can ask for a count of opponents chips and the question have to be answered whether by dealer or player counting the chips.

Harlequin011 · #6 (**permalink**) 07-02-2007, 04:06 PM

Dealer's job. Even in a home game.

Everyone has the right to know how much everyone is playing.

If the dealer is asking. A third party should do it.

MeridianFC · #7 (**permalink**) 07-02-2007, 04:39 PM

I figured it would fall under the dealer's responsibility, I was just wondering if anyone is aware of any law on the books about this (i.e can the player questioned stand mute and force the dealer to do the count).

Even though I asked in the home game forum I'm interested in how it plays out in the Casino world too.

whataboutj · #8 (**permalink**) 07-02-2007, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by MeridianFC

Even though I asked in the home game forum I'm interested in how it plays out in the Casino world too.

I admitidly have limited casino play experience, but I played over memorial day weekend in Vegas and any time a count was requested the dealer did the count not the player

99%evil · #9 (**permalink**) 07-02-2007, 05:12 PM

This came up in a game this weekend...stupid .25/.50 game, Guiness goes all-in and the other guy (fishy McFish) says, "How much is it" Guiness says nothing so i count it (I'm next to Guiness) and tell him. McFish says,"No I want to hear him tell me", so I tell fish that Guiness doesn't have to say a thing if he doesn't want to. Sad thing, he cashed out for like $190 that night...sucked out on me once for about $50 of it. He thought he was sucjh a great player...it was quite comical. One of those, "I put you on 7's" after someone showed their hand...funny, he never got me right.

BigBlue · #10 (**permalink**) 07-19-2007, 09:33 PM

Player should have "easy to read" stacks, with largest chips visible.

Player can count it, approx it, or do nothing and let the dealer count.

I wonder what happens if I ask the Donk to count down, and they tell me, then I ask the dealer to verify? ROFLMAO.

Last home tourney, I thought a buddy had me covered by a few chips, when I won and we "matched" stacks, I had him covered by a few instead. Left him with a bad feeling at the time, but after reflection, it made no diff. He wasn't going to fold, and a few chips weren't likely to do him any good. I don't remember who asked who for a count. He probably asked me, and I probably told him he had a small edge.