[Rich G]

Three people go to a raised flop in a home game .25/50 pot limit holdem. SB, Middle Pos. and cut off. Game is table stakes. SB is short stack while MP and cutoff have him covered by a bunch.

Flop comes 8 high and SB raises all in for about $6.00. Middle Position calls and forgets about the cut off so he shows his pocket 7's. Dealer knows cutoff is still in the hand but thinks that his action might be dead. Cutoff wants to raise and after some discussion is allowed to reraise. SB is all and MP reluctantly folds until he sees cutoffs A-8.

Cutoff's 8's hold up as SB's shows open end straight draw. MP's not complaining about mucking his 7's and neither is cutoff but we the dealer and I wondered about the ruling although all were happy with result. (except SB)

[xtwalker]

Done correctly... no problems with someone showing cards in a cash game, and it does not affect anyone else's ability to make normal actions (raise, call, muck)

In a tournament, any player involved in the hand could call the 77 a dead hand for being exposed before all action is completed.

[2_hotty]

You can't punish CO because MP exposed his hand. Your ruling was correct.

[Rich G]

thanks. The dealer in this hand plays in a lot of tourneys and was thinking about killing the hand or action, but he did say that he thought that this was more of a "tournament" ruling and eventually made the right call. All the rest of us not in the hand begged him not to kill CO's action. MP needs to be slapped down every once in a while (donk).

Now to clarify for tourneys.. MP exposes, only CO and SB can declare the hand dead. And not the dealer?

[OutOfCrown]

Originally Posted by xtwalker

In a tournament, any player involved in the hand could call the 77 a dead hand for being exposed before all action is completed.

Not according to the TDA rules, Robert's Rules, the rules used in the WPT, WSOP, and most (but maybe not all) casinos.

Exposing your hand in a tournament *may* (note the *may*) result in a penalty, but does not kill it.

[OutOfCrown]

For reference:

http://www.pokertda.com/rules.pdf

Rule 31.

[Buzzerbeater]

Originally Posted by xtwalker

Done correctly... no problems with someone showing cards in a cash game, and it does not affect anyone else's ability to make normal actions (raise, call, muck)

Of course there's a problem. And it may not effect their ability to act, but it effects their decision to act.

To the OP. You played it out as I would have, but I would have also warned the player to be more careful or they would have to pay a penalty. Our cash penalties are multiples of the big blind.

[MeridianFC]

Middle's hand could theoretically be ruled dead, but Cutoff should not be penalized.

[xtwalker]

Originally Posted by OutOfCrown

Not according to the TDA rules, Robert's Rules, the rules used in the WPT, WSOP, and most (but maybe not all) casinos.

Exposing your hand in a tournament *may* (note the *may*) result in a penalty, but does not kill it.

This was addressed in the latest TDA meeting, and is discussed in one of the last couple Card Player magazines. I'm at work and don't have it with me to reference exactly, but I am pretty sure this "Jamie Gold Rule" is now in affect, that revealing cards with action to follow will result in a dead hand if a player calls for it.

May be wrong... I'll look it up later.

[xtwalker]

Good find OOC... must have miss-read, miss-remembered.

Thanks for the linky