[tator2k]

I seen this issue come up more and more...

What does this exactly mean? Why do I ask, because I've seen used two different ways, as well as incorrectly in one of them.

1) Players use this as a raise to $X amount. 'Make it $500'

2) Players in the same game will use it raise AN ADDITONAL AMOUNT
'Make it $500' meaning make it $500 MORE.

Now this in itself can be confusing and even worse then the following happens.

3) Blinds 100/200: UTG Raises to 800 folds to OTB who states, 'Make it 1200.' Now what do you do and what did they mean?

Offically, they made a raise, but it was short. So the only legal play was to make their bet only the minimum raise, complete the pot and continue.

The problem I see is I ask everyone to make a verbal play and they state they did. Now we're down to the play with words and do you have to state 'RAISE or CALL' while in a hand??

[MSPatton]

Originally Posted by tator2k

I seen this issue come up more and more...

What does this exactly mean? Why do I ask, because I've seen used two different ways, as well as incorrectly in one of them.

1) Players use this as a raise to $X amount. 'Make it $500'

2) Players in the same game will use it raise AN ADDITONAL AMOUNT
'Make it $500' meaning make it $500 MORE.

Now this in itself can be confusing and even worse then the following happens.

3) Blinds 100/200: UTG Raises to 800 folds to OTB who states, 'Make it 1200.' Now what do you do and what did they mean?

Offically, they made a raise, but it was short. So the only legal play was to make their bet only the minimum raise, complete the pot and continue.

The problem I see is I ask everyone to make a verbal play and they state they did. Now we're down to the play with words and do you have to state 'RAISE or CALL' while in a hand??

"Make it" = "Total to play"

[BrettButter]

Originally Posted by MSPatton

"Make it" = "Total to play"

Agreed.

If you bet $100, and I say "Make it $500" - it is a raise of 400 additional chips to you. The amount for others to call the raise is a total of 500 chips to them.

The same thing applies to the phrase "To go"

[JessterCPA]

Agreed also. Make it = Total bet.

[MSPatton]

In #3, the raise was 600. By declaring "Make it 1200" that is the same as saying raise and binding. While the 1200 was only a 400 raise he would be reqiured to "Make it 1400"

[800over]

All they have to do is add the word "more" to make it $___ to have it be a raise. At least that's how it works where I play.

[tmpa2001]

I like saying, err, liked saying ___ ALL DAY or ____ STRAIGHT.

[tator2k]

Everyone's correct. However they were stating as assumed with different intent.

[jdunford]

Originally Posted by tator2k

I seen this issue come up more and more...

What does this exactly mean? Why do I ask, because I've seen used two different ways, as well as incorrectly in one of them.

1) Players use this as a raise to $X amount. 'Make it $500'

2) Players in the same game will use it raise AN ADDITONAL AMOUNT
'Make it $500' meaning make it $500 MORE.

Now this in itself can be confusing and even worse then the following happens.

3) Blinds 100/200: UTG Raises to 800 folds to OTB who states, 'Make it 1200.' Now what do you do and what did they mean?

Offically, they made a raise, but it was short. So the only legal play was to make their bet only the minimum raise, complete the pot and continue.

The problem I see is I ask everyone to make a verbal play and they state they did. Now we're down to the play with words and do you have to state 'RAISE or CALL' while in a hand??

I agree with everybody else. In the OP, 1) is the correct usage of the term. I've never seen 2), and if I did, I would declare that the verbal bet was binding, and refund the excess bet (i.e. "Make it $500" means the TOTAL bet is $500. It is NOT a raise of $500). And in 3), the bet was not legal; the minimum raise is 600 to 1400. He cannot "make it 1200", although he could've legally reraised 1200 to 2000, so if that's what he meant to do, he could've said, "make it 2000" ... or perhaps "make it 2000 to go" (implying he wants the initial raiser to call, and doesn't want anyone else to reraise - sort of a tell).

[BrettButter]

You were correct to make #3 the minimum bet.

If they say "Make it 1200 more" then it'd be acceptable to put in a raise of 1200 + the bettor's chips, for a total of 2000. Saying "Make it 1200" is declaring an intent to make the total bet 1200, but since he cannot raise that low, and has declared the intent to raise, it should be completed to the minimum raise.

Also, food for thought, most card rooms and casinos will interpret putting more into the pot than necessary as just a call, unless you declare you are raising first. Let's say player 1 bets $1, and player 2 wants to raise to $5, but throws in a $5 chip without stating raise, the dealer will give you $4 back. Saying "raise" then putting in a $5 chip would make the raise $5 to go, unless you verbally say "make it $3" while putting in the $5 chip, and you would then get $2 in change.

Hopefully my rambling makes sense.