[jldecarlo]

Here's the scenario:

Three players see the flop - A 8 3 rainbow. One player bets, the other two fold. Winner flashed an A, mucks his hand. One guy says that if you show one card, you must show both: "Show one, show all."

I say that "show one, show all" means that if you show your card(s) to one player, then you must show all the players NOT that if you show one card, you must show both. That's the way we've always played, so that's the house rule.

In later discussion, several people said that they had played at casinos that DO require that both cards be shown, not just one. It was agreed that this varies from place to place.

So:

1 - You are free to show one card (to all players) if you wish.

2 - You must show both cards if you show any.

3 - Technically, you should show both, but it's kind of like demanding to see someone's cards at a showdown. It's your right, but it's kind of pr*ckish unless you suspect cheating, etc.

Opinions?

L

[jamby]

Wow, I never realized that was considerd bad form. I thought it was perfectly OK to ask to see your opponents cards at a showdown.

Originally Posted by jldecarlo

3 - Technically, you should show both, but it's kind of like demanding to see someone's cards at a showdown. It's your right, but it's kind of pr*ckish unless you suspect cheating, etc.

[jldecarlo]

Originally Posted by jamby

Wow, I never realized that was considerd bad form. I thought it was perfectly OK to ask to see your opponents cards at a showdown.

At a showdown, you only have to show your cards:

if you want to win the pot, or

if you're all-in, in a tourney. otherwise, you are free to muck them face down.


However, anybody who was dealt into the hand can ask to see your cards, and you are required to show them. It is considered poor form to do this, however.

L

[jamby]

I knew the rule, just didn't know it was considered to be bad form to ask to see them.

Why would that be? It seems to me that if you're willing to play to a showdown you should be willing to show your cards. After all, it's the best way to learn about our opponents isn't it?

Originally Posted by jldecarlo

It is considered poor form to do this, however.

[Laxbum4]

I would say that since this hand wasn't at showdown then showing one would be ok, since you actually don't have to show any to win the pot here. We've always played that at showdown you must show both cards to win the pot. I think it also depends on who you are playing with and how friendly the game is. We play with all friends and no one minds if some one out of the hand takes a peek at your cards.

[dad604]

As stated in 1st post, if your opponent did not call and muck their cards, you can muck, show one card, or show both cards. Nobody can ask to see any cards as no one called the bet.

Jamby, regarding the other rule where anyone dealt cards have the right to see the calling hand/hands, it is to prevent cheating (collusion.) The rule is not there to help other players knowing how opponents play. Some poker room will not automatically show the losing calling hands unless there is suspection of cheating. Basically, if you ask to see the mucked calling hand, you are accusing the player of cheating.

[jamby]

Thanks Dad. Now that makes sense. I never knew why the rule existed before.

I like it just to see what kind of cards people I'm playing with are willing to go all the way with. We have some VERY loose players in my home game.

Originally Posted by dad604

Jamby, regarding the other rule where anyone dealt cards have the right to see the calling hand/hands, it is to prevent cheating (collusion.) The rule is not there to help other players knowing how opponents play. Some poker room will not automatically show the losing calling hands unless there is suspection of cheating. Basically, if you ask to see the mucked calling hand, you are accusing the player of cheating.

[800over]

Originally Posted by jldecarlo

Here's the scenario:

Three players see the flop - A 8 3 rainbow. One player bets, the other two fold. Winner flashed an A, mucks his hand. One guy says that if you show one card, you must show both: "Show one, show all." NOPE

I say that "show one, show all" means that if you show your card(s) to one player, then you must show all the players CORRECT NOT that if you show one card, you must show both. That's the way we've always played, so that's the house rule. If anyone has a problem with this....tell them it's show one show all (many) not show one show both (as in 2 cards)

In later discussion, several people said that they had played at casinos that DO require that both cards be shown, not just one. Only at a showdown to win a pot. It was agreed that this varies from place to place.

So:

1 - You are free to show one card (to all players) if you wish. yep but not while others are still in the hand!!! Only when folding headsup or when everyone folds to you first! Showing a card while others are in a hand is a serious offence and should result in a warning.....or 10 minute penalty. see Robert's rules #21.

2 - You must show both cards if you show any. nope....1 or two if folding headsup or after opponent folds headsup.

3 - Technically, you should show both you don't have to show both unless at the showdown, but it's kind of like demanding to see someone's cards at a showdown. It's your right, but it's kind of pr*ckish unless you suspect cheating, etc. People who do this are abusing a rule meant to prevent cheating....they are angle shooting and nothing more.

Opinions?

L

Enough bold for ya?

[smoore]

If those players have indeed played in a casino that won't allow you to show just a single card from your uncalled hand...

I'll eat my hat.

[Jonah 99]

Originally Posted by jldecarlo

Here's the scenario:

Three players see the flop - A 8 3 rainbow. One player bets, the other two fold. Winner flashed an A, mucks his hand. One guy says that if you show one card, you must show both: "Show one, show all."

The 'show one show all' rule applies to players,
but it is often quoted in the situation you described by players in a joking manner, I've seen Phil Laak use the line in a TV tournament.