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11-27-2006, 08:03 PM
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| | | Showing cards: Rules Question
This weekend, we had a rules question arise. I haven't tried very hard to find the answer in Robert's Rules, but I will.
Three handed, NLHE tourney.
I think I was the button (and first to act) with TT. I raised 3-4x the BB, SB folds, BB goes all-in. While I was trying to decide to call or not, I flip my cards to show the table my pocket tens.
Obviously, I thought this was a legal move in a heads-up situation, but the consensus was that it's not legal.
What do you say?
L
PS If it's not legal, what if I had just told the table that I had tens? |
11-27-2006, 08:15 PM
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Robert's Rules of Poker Version 7
The following actions are improper, and grounds for warning, suspending, or barring a violator:
Revealing the contents of a live hand in a multihanded pot before the betting is complete. Revealing the contents of a folded hand before the betting is complete. Do not divulge the contents of a hand during a deal even to someone not in the pot, so you do not leave any possibility of the information being transmitted to an active player. |
11-27-2006, 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Button Potato Robert's Rules of Poker Version 7
The following actions are improper, and grounds for warning, suspending, or barring a violator:
Revealing the contents of a live hand in a multihanded pot before the betting is complete. Revealing the contents of a folded hand before the betting is complete. Do not divulge the contents of a hand during a deal even to someone not in the pot, so you do not leave any possibility of the information being transmitted to an active player. | Does "multihanded" mean more that two? If so, then in a heads up situation, it is legal. ??
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11-27-2006, 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by jldecarlo Does "multihanded" mean more that two? If so, then in a heads up situation, it is legal. ??
L | Multihanded means more than one live hand |
11-27-2006, 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by jldecarlo PS If it's not legal, what if I had just told the table that I had tens? | You can lie thru your teeth, but it is illegal to tell the truth. |
11-27-2006, 08:28 PM
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In a tournament game this action is only allowed when the tournament is down to the final 2 players, but in a cash game this action is allowed when any hand is down to 2 players (per Robert Rules). |
11-27-2006, 08:28 PM
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It is generally against the rules to show your cards at any point in a tournament even when heads up.
It is generally ok in a cash game heads up.
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11-27-2006, 08:38 PM
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an illegal move.. usually this warrants a first warning then an auto-muck for future offences at my game (which is a cash game).. i mean essentially you're trying to induce a tell of some kind to aid in your decision of whether to call or not.. which is unfair
jamie gold did it to allen cunningham at the main event final table.. i think it also occured in an even more questionable setting (it was allen's play).. he got away with it |
11-27-2006, 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by scottwire It is generally against the rules to show your cards at any point in a tournament even when heads up.
It is generally ok in a cash game heads up. | Actually - according to Robert's Rules, there is no difference between cash and tournament play. By the way, I agree with you. |
11-27-2006, 08:47 PM
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I don't agree that you should be able to show your cards... Just like a string bet, you could gauge the other player's reaction to seeing your cards and make a decision based on more information you had prior to flipping your cards.
It may be legal in the sense that you only get a warning the first time, but I find it bad poker etiquette.
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