[omar]

So I am hosting last night, the regular every other Friday night game. We play $40 buy-in NLHE tourneys with a $5 bounty. It's early, towards the end of the second level or start of level 3. The player to my right (next door neighbor) in UTG and open raises. I am thinking about whether to call or not when the player in seat 3 says "call" and throws in his chips. When he realizes that I haven't acted he pulls back his chips while I decide. I fold, then player 3 begins to check his cards and act as if he may fold. Now I am out of the hand, but I am the host, so I told player 3 that he called (albeit out of turn) and has to put his chips in the pot. He agrees, there are maybe 2-3 other callers, then the flop.

Bottom line is player 1 has A10, player 3 has A3, flop comes A3x, it ends up with some more betting and ultimately player 1 pushing on the river with top pair and getting called and beat with the two pair of player 3. Player 1 leaves in a huff (which isn't unusual) but defintiely pissed that I made player 3 call the PF bet, thus hitting his two pair on the flop and busting him.

My position is that the verbal and/or actual tossing of chips into the pot constitutes action, even if it was out of turn. Our game is casual, but we still have to have rules. Am I right, or is out of turn action non-binding?

Appreciate the feedback.

[ShadyJoe]

The bet of the player who went out of turn is binding unless they face intervening action. Since nobody called or raised before player 3's out of turn action, player 3's call was binding. What happens after that is irrelevent to the rule.

If a player had called or raised before the out-of-turn player's turn, their out-of-turn action would no longer be binding.

[OnTheButton]

At our games, (mostly based on casino rules) the OOT action (player #3) would be binding, if you fold.

He would be stuck with making that call unless YOU (player #2) re-raised the initial raise (from player #1) and changed the amount needed to make that OOT call.

All he really did was to give YOU information that he wanted to get into the hand, thus providing you with the ability to act accordingly as a response.

[omar]

Thanks for the replies. They make perfect sense. Just wanted to make sure that I was on the right track.

[compost kid]

If I had it my way, the OOT bet would be binding... ..if there was no raise before him. If there was a raise, in my world, the OOT players only option would be call, or fold and forfeit his out of turn wager. Re-raising would not be allowed. This
would be penalizing to the OOT bettor and hopefully stop it from happening again.

Never heard of this rule being applied anywhere, but I think it would work. Anyone have any thoughts on this as a rule? Feedback appreciated.

[OnTheButton]

Originally Posted by compost kid

If I had it my way, the OOT bet would be binding... ..if there was no raise before him. If there was a raise, in my world, the OOT players only option would be call, or fold and forfeit his out of turn wager. Re-raising would not be allowed. This
would be penalizing to the OOT bettor and hopefully stop it from happening again.

Never heard of this rule being applied anywhere, but I think it would work. Anyone have any thoughts on this as a rule? Feedback appreciated.

From my experience you are correct in your assessment.

If an OOT player says "call" they are stuck with that call, providing there is not a re-raise before their action occurs.

The OOT player is not able to re-raise when his/her action arrives, and their only option is to call (if everyone folds or only calls before them) or fold (if there is increased action before their turn).

We had this happen and I believe we looked it up in Robert's Rules to resolve it.

[TheMightyJim2k]

I'm pretty sure that if you had reraised his chips for the call are still in the pot even if he decides to fold. The rule that I know of is once the chips go in they can't comeback. So if you reraised and he decided to fold he would forfeit his first oot call.

As is you made the right ruling. If he put his money in out of turn it stays in if he changes his mind on his turn.

[MacGrad]

At the casinos around here, if you call OOT, your money is in the pot. If someone raises, you're still forced to surrender the amount of the call, even if you fold to the raise.

[compost kid]

Originally Posted by OnTheButton

From my experience you are correct in your assessment.

If an OOT player says "call" they are stuck with that call, providing there is not a re-raise before their action occurs.

The OOT player is not able to re-raise when his/her action arrives, and their only option is to call (if everyone folds or only calls before them) or fold (if there is increased action before their turn).

We had this happen and I believe we looked it up in Robert's Rules to resolve it.

Really, is this actually the accepted rule. I was under the impression that if an intervening player raised, it opened the door, so to speak, for the OOT bettor to withdraw his bet and fold, or re-raise.

If this is actually the rule it makes my first post look a bit silly

[bigjohn]

On HSP I have seen players who called or bet OOT just pull their $$ back out of the pot... Not sure if it was an unspoken rule or if the pro's just let it slide...