[Captn_All_In]

Originally Posted by Gameface

Also be sure to let them know that in the future, if they muck their cards because they decide it's a misdeal then all they have done is mucked thier hand and lost their blind if they had one posted. The hand should continue with whomever is left that still has cards. If it's only one person then they win the blinds.

People can "decide" that a hand is a misdeal as a sort of angle shooting tactic.

I likey this alot.....

[MasterBrewer]

Originally Posted by coyote

Wrong. Some of you are misinterpreting Robert's rules and the phrase "first holecard"

It refers to the first card dealt in the hand, not to the first holecard dealt to any player.

Others have mentioned that if either of the blind's first card is exposed it's a misdeal, I don't quite understand why that would be.

If you are going to quote a post of mine, please at least read it first. I was not posting my interpretation of Robert's rule on the subject. In fact, I hadn't read Robert's rule regarding this subject before my post so I'm not sure how i could have misinterpreted a rule I never read.

I was merely sharing the experiences I have had playing in the several southern california casinos I frequent. I wasn't saying that this is the way it SHOULD be, or that anyone was wrong for doing it another way... just that this was the casinos' method of resolving this.

Clearly we have seen that there are several ways of resolving this issue, and in my opinion they are all correct as long as everyone playing knows the rule beforehand.

If sharing my experiences is wrong, then I don't want to be right!

[coyote]

Originally Posted by MasterBrewer

If you are going to quote a post of mine, please at least read it first. I was not posting my interpretation of Robert's rule on the subject. In fact, I hadn't read Robert's rule regarding this subject before my post so I'm not sure how i could have misinterpreted a rule I never read.

I was merely sharing the experiences I have had playing in the several southern california casinos I frequent. I wasn't saying that this is the way it SHOULD be, or that anyone was wrong for doing it another way... just that this was the casinos' method of resolving this.

Clearly we have seen that there are several ways of resolving this issue, and in my opinion they are all correct as long as everyone playing knows the rule beforehand.

If sharing my experiences is wrong, then I don't want to be right!

I read your post, and others, It just happened that I selected your post to quote. Nothing personal House rules are house rules I reckon.

[ky70]

Originally Posted by coyote

...Others have mentioned that if either of the blind's first card is exposed it's a misdeal, I don't quite understand why that would be.

According to Robert's rules (and i'm paraphrasing), if the 1st or 2nd card dealt is exposed then there is a misdeal. The 1st card is dealt to the small blind and the 2nd card is dealt to the big blind.

[Spaceman Spiff]

Originally Posted by ky70

According to Robert's rules (and i'm paraphrasing), if the 1st or 2nd card dealt is exposed then there is a misdeal. The 1st card is dealt to the small blind and the 2nd card is dealt to the big blind.

I can only think of a couple reasons for this, but I have no idea if this is the intent.

First, it would be easier for an unscrupulous dealer to "peek" at the first or second card and if it's, say, an A or K, they could oops it to the blinds. Once you're deeper into the deck, it would be harder, or at least more conspicuous, to go searching through the deck.

My only other idea is that if you flip the first or second card, the chances of another card coming up and causing a misdeal on that account are increased, so you just stop there and start over again.


The idea of peeking at the cards and purposely flipping a good card just seems silly to me, but I could see angle shooters trying to do it. Just as kind of an example, had a case at my game where I flipped over an ace trying to get it dealt to the end of the table. My bad and I know that sucks. Turned out I gave him a 4 as a replacement, to go with the 4 already in his hand and he flopped a set and took down a nice pot. He thanked me for burning his ace!

[toblat]

no misdeal. how my mates and I play is that the flipped card would just be the 1rst burn card and we keep on playin'.

cheers

[Bhudio]

Originally Posted by MasterBrewer

Clearly we have seen that there are several ways of resolving this issue, and in my opinion they are all correct as long as everyone playing knows the rule beforehand.

If sharing my experiences is wrong, then I don't want to be right!

....and at the very least, have a majorty vote to see what actions should be taken when the situation arises.

[Gameface]

Originally Posted by Bhudio

....and at the very least, have a majorty vote to see what actions should be taken when the situation arises.

Are you saying that everytime such an irregularity arrises the players all vote for how to correct the situation? Not a good idea in my mind.

If you're in a tourney and the short stack is involved everyone would be inclined to vote for whatever option would hurt the short stack so that they could get closer to the money.

Otherwise people could also enforce the rules based on who was involved and how much they liked them or not.

[smoore]

I dunno if I posted in this thread yet or not but here goes:

OP is not a misdeal by general rules. House rules could trump this.

A misdieal occurs if:
One of the first two cards dealt is exposed (SB and BB)
- or -
any two hole cards are exposed

It's my understanding that the "first two cards off the deck" stipulation is simply because not much time has been wasted so you just start over.