Is this a misdeal?

boondocker96 · #11 (**permalink**) 06-12-2006, 04:49 PM

anybody got the technical definiton of a mis-deal?

shadesofgrey · #12 (**permalink**) 06-12-2006, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by boondocker96

anybody got the technical definiton of a mis-deal?

Roberts Rules? http://www.playwinningpoker.com/texas-holdem/rules/ seems fairly complete to me.

These rules deal only with irregularities. See the previous chapter in Robert's Rules of Poker, "Button and Blind Use," for rules on that subject.
1. If the first holecard dealt is exposed, a misdeal results. The dealer will retrieve the card, reshuffle, and recut the cards. If any other holecard is exposed due to a dealer error, the deal continues. The exposed card may not be kept. After completing the hand, the dealer replaces the card with the top card on the deck, and the exposed card is then used for the burncard. If more than one holecard is exposed, this is a misdeal and there must be a redeal.
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See Robert's Rules of Poker for general rules

2. If the flop contains too many cards, it must be redealt. (This applies even if it were possible to know which card was the extra one.)
3. If the flop needs to be redealt because the cards were prematurely flopped before the betting was complete, or the flop contained too many cards, the boardcards are mixed with the remainder of the deck. The burncard remains on the table. After shuffling, the dealer cuts the deck and deals a new flop without burning a card. [See "Section 16 – Explanations," discussion #2, of Robert's Rules of Poker (link in upper right) for more information on this rule.]
4. If the dealer turns the fourth card on the board before the betting round is complete, the card is taken out of play for that round, even if subsequent players elect to fold. The betting is then completed. The dealer burns and turns what would have been the fifth card in the fourth card's place. After this round of betting, the dealer reshuffles the deck, including the card that was taken out of play, but not including the burncards or discards. The dealer then cuts the deck and turns the final card without burning a card. If the fifth card is turned up prematurely, the deck is reshuffled and dealt in the same manner. [See "Section 16 – Explanations," discussion #2, for more information on this rule.]
5. If the dealer mistakenly deals the first player an extra card (after all players have received their starting hands), the card will be returned to the deck and used for the burncard. If the dealer mistakenly deals more than one extra card, it is a misdeal.
6. You must declare that you are playing the board before you throw your cards away; otherwise you relinquish all claim to the pot. - Bob Ciaffone

OnTheButton · #13 (**permalink**) 06-12-2006, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by MasterBrewer

[edit], if a player's FIRST card flipped over its a misdeal. If its a player's second card, its replaced at the end of the deal with the would-be first burn card.

That's what we've always done too.

Any first hole is card flipped, re-shuffle and re-deal.

Any second hole card flipped, continue dealing in order, and use the misdealt card as the burn, and give the player whose card flipped, the card that would have been the burn as their second hole card.

If a second card is flipped while the second hole card is being dealt, then we call it a misdeal, and the dealer's fingers are promptly smashed with a hammer, and he/she is removed from play immediately.

Gameface · #14 (**permalink**) 06-12-2006, 05:59 PM

I follow Robert's Rules on this one and have found it to be pretty standard where I have played. It is only a mis-deal if it is the first or second card dealt (as in the first card to the SB or BB) or if more than one card is exposed. That card is left face up and the deal continues. After all the other cards are dealt the player with the exposed card has his card replaced with the burn card and is not given an option to keep the exposed card.

SpaceMonkey · #15 (**permalink**) 06-12-2006, 06:29 PM

Not a misdeal.

Also, it's only a misdeal if the very first card dealt is exposed. Any other card exposed, no matter if it's one's first or second hole card, you continue dealing, and the "burn" card is dealt last to the person with the exposed card. That exposed card becomes the first burn card.

That's how I do it, that's how it's done at Foxwoods, and I thought most casinos, thought I can't recall one way or another outside of Foxwoods.

Never heard of the first hole card = misdeal thingy. Maybe people are misreading Robert's rules. First holecard dealt = very first card dealt to SB. NOT every first hole card dealt to every player.

Spaceman Spiff · #16 (**permalink**) 06-12-2006, 06:47 PM

Very interesting. Seems like there are some variations out there, but yeah, most rule sets that I've read are based on Robert's and I believe the stipulation there if any of the 1st two cards are flipped (i.e. the first card to the SB or BB) then it's a misdeal. Anyone else, you just keep dealing and replace the up card with the burn card.

Some of the guys were even saying if the blinds get their 2nd card flipped up it's a misdeal. Now that makes absolutely no sense.

The only reasoning I heard was that someone could stack 2 cards together. If someone is good enough to stick the 16th and 17th card they want, I've got bigger problems than misdeal arguments in my game.

For those that have played at casinos where this is a misdeal, did you happen to hear any reasoning? I mean, if it were more common I would expect Robert's to say 'if the SB, BB, or button have their first card flipped it's a misdeal' and I've just never seen that written anywhere.

ky70 · #17 (**permalink**) 06-12-2006, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Gameface

I follow Robert's Rules on this one and have found it to be pretty standard where I have played. It is only a mis-deal if it is the first or second card dealt (as in the first card to the SB or BB) or if more than one card is exposed. That card is left face up and the deal continues. After all the other cards are dealt the player with the exposed card has his card replaced with the burn card and is not given an option to keep the exposed card.

this is exactly right (per Robert's rules)...no misdeal

Double Eagle · #18 (**permalink**) 06-12-2006, 09:20 PM

Not a misdeal.

I have found a lot of people misinterpret the rule as it relates to the blinds. A lot of people mistakenly seem to think that if a card is dealt up in the blinds, whether the first or second card, it is a misdeal. They are wrong of course.

coyote · #19 (**permalink**) 06-13-2006, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by MasterBrewer

Most casinos I have played in consider this a misdeal.

From what i have seen, most dont enact the "continue dealing like normal and replace the misdealt card off the top" rule until every player has at least 1 card.

In other words, if a player's FIRST card flipped over its a misdeal. If its a player's second card, its replaced at the end of the deal with the would-be first burn card.

Wrong. Some of you are misinterpreting Robert's rules and the phrase "first holecard"

It refers to the first card dealt in the hand, not to the first holecard dealt to any player.

Others have mentioned that if either of the blind's first card is exposed it's a misdeal, I don't quite understand why that would be.

Harlequin011 · #20 (**permalink**) 06-13-2006, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by coyote

Wrong. Some of you are misinterpreting Robert's rules and the phrase "first holecard"

It refers to the first card dealt in the hand, not to the first holecard dealt to any player.

Others have mentioned that if either of the blind's first card is exposed it's a misdeal, I don't quite understand why that would be.

Indiana Casino boats near me play that if the 1st or 2nd card are flipped, they call misdeal. Of course those cards are in the blind. They also call it if two cards get exposed in one deal.