[compost kid]

What do people think of this as a rule.

Bets out of turn are binding. However, should a prior player raise, the out-of-turn bettor must either call, or fold and forfeit his out-of -turn wager. The out-of-turn bettor is not allowed to re-raise in this situation (small penalty to discourage out-of-turn betting)

[Captn_All_In]

Originally Posted by compost kid

What do people think of this as a rule.

Bets out of turn are binding. However, should a prior player raise, the out-of-turn bettor must either call, or fold and forfeit his out-of -turn wager. The out-of-turn bettor is not allowed to re-raise in this situation (small penalty to disourage out-of-turn betting)

I believe this is exaclty what Quads was talking about when he said "chips in the pot, stay in the pot."
I hope that I am interpreting both of you correctly.

[Quads]

Kind of, but not really.
The chips in the pot kind of says that. More like "the player betting out of turn losses his chips." regardless of the action. He can still raise if he / she wishes, it will just cost him all the needed chips to raise. As what he put in the pot earlier is dead.

Regardless of when the action finally does come back around to him, what he put in the pot, out of turn, is dead money.

If he wishes to call, he needs to put more chips out there, as with a raise, and of course, folding is an option as well.

It sounds a little harsh at first, but it will kill most anyone who has a bad habit of it. Especially in a medium stakes cash game or to someone in a critical chip spot in a tourney. Take a 15/30 game. It's a $30 mistake each time you do it on fourth and fifth street. That adds up.

IMO, Not only is it bad form to bet out of turn, whether you are trying to shoot an angle, or just not paying attention, it can also effect the action behind you, which can kill others' action in the hand. (which seems to be the chief point in most cases)

[Captn_All_In]

Thanks for clarifying Quads. Yes its sounds harsh, but it gets the point across in a hurry!

Thanks Again,

Captn

[Quads]

It's hard and fast, and yes, harsh, I guess, but really cures a guy of acting out of turn.

[Toothpic]

Ouch! Talk about a harsh rule! No denying that it will have the proper results though.

[BigKyle]

I agree this is a rule that needs to be harshly enforced. I have played in a certain home game, usually $40 buyin NLHE tournament or 1/2 NL games, and a pretty regular player that is a flatout jerk has made the following play two or three times against new players when I have been there.

There is a raise preflop and he calls in position to the raiser. After the flop comes out he checks. The newb bets and then the p.i.t.a. guy makes a reraise. The newb realizes his steal bet on the flop has not worked (probably thinks the guy has a big hand since he called and raised the flop bet) and mucks, and this guy collects an extra post-flop bet to his stack. The host/TD doesn't do anything, heck I don't even think he knows the rule. But if it were my game or if he tried it against me I would dispute his play wholeheartedly.

[Devilboy]

Kyle the rules on that are pretty clear - once you announce 'Check' out of turn you can NEVER turn that into a raise. He can only call, check or fold.

If he's doing this on purpose he is indeed a jerk.

[BigKyle]

He is, and he is! I don't think it's my place to say anything unless he does it to me, but I have been thinking about subtly mentioning it to the others.

[rolandshoffinc]

I think the player should be taken outside and whipped
Why would you not be paying attention? or
Why are you trying to take my money.

To the dogs with you!