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Old 04-08-2006, 09:23 AM
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What if someone...

What happens if someone says "I call you all-in?" This happened in my home game last night. I said that it is only a call. He said that he can do that and even saw someone say it in a casino one time.

What is the ruling for this?
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Old 04-08-2006, 09:33 AM
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Re: What if someone...

If I'm understanding this correctly, then there was a bet out and this guy/girl said "I call you all in"?

If so, technically once the words "I call" came out of their mouth, they called. That's my rule. However, I've played where this is no big deal as long as it wasn't a clear string bet.

I stick to the rules though, because I don't want to open doors to people questioning my other rules. So in this case, that all-in raise would be a string bet, and not allowed.
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Old 04-08-2006, 09:34 AM
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Re: What if someone...

Provided you hadn't made in all in move first, which he is trying to call, his verbal declaration is binding ("I call"). He can not raise. He would either need to say "raise" and declare the all in or simply say "all in".
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Old 04-08-2006, 09:37 AM
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Re: What if someone...

Anyone know what happens in a casino if this is done? Are the rules different depending on the casino?

Also, what if someone says "I PUT you all-in?". Does the supervisor step in?
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Re: What if someone...

I agree with 2_hotty.
The most they can do here is call, otherwise it's a string bet.
The phrase makes sense to me if the person making this declaration doesn't have enough chips to make the call, as in "I call you, (but I am) all in".
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Re: What if someone...

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Anyone know what happens in a casino if this is done? Are the rules different depending on the casino?

Also, what if someone says "I PUT you all-in?". Does the supervisor step in?
I've never been in a casino that would allow that raise.

If someone says "I put you all in" that's raising the amount that their opponent has in front of them. Which is fine. No need for the floor to step in.
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Old 04-08-2006, 12:37 PM
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Re: What if someone...

This is a tricky one. But I'd personally stick with the intention.

I think if it happened at my house, I would probably consider it an all-in, as the all-in was obviously the intent, just poorly worded.

We will often say "I'll PUT you all-in" (when you have more chips than they do) and there is no confusion with that.

Some of the decision would depend on any chip movement as well. If they push forward while saying this, I would witout a doubt consider it an all-in bet.

We only get strict with players who try to do things like, "I call your bet, and raise you XXXX." This obviously is never allowed.

It's all word semantics really so I really think: I'd look at the player history and if mixing up poker terms is common with them, they often try to trick other players or they just flubbed up once.

I've tried (and they've gotten better) to train our players that there are really only 2 words they need to say when it's their turn to act and there will be no confusion. These words are "Call" or "Raise." When they say "Raise" as their first word, they can fiddle and count their chips all they want, and stare down other players while they do it, so long as they actually raise the bet on their action, from 1x the current bet to going all-in.

But that is just my opinion, and it is just a home game.
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Re: What if someone...

Technically, it's a call. Is he new? If he's new then I could let it slide once. If he's not he's just calling. he can push on the next street if he wants.
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Re: What if someone...

I agree with on the button here about intention. But it would only happen once. After that everyone should know about it and should not make the mistake again. (I would also add this situation to the notes/appendix section of my rulebook).

Also I would agree with some others here about "I'll put you all in." That is something that I have heard said several times, live, and on tv.

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Re: What if someone...

I think the intention is there, but the wording is wrong.

if you went to a restaurant and ordered chicken, but intended on getting the beef, what are you going to get?

people need to learn on SPEAKING CORRECTLY. They shouldn't even say "I put you all in." They just need to say, "All in".
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