[PFunk]

When in a hand, and one player is all in against another, to which you fold one of their outs, is it considered bad ettiquette in your opinion to mention to the table that you folded one of the players outs? aka, does this bother you when other players do this to you?

For example: AK (shortstack) moves all in and is called down by 77, to which another person comments: "I folded an Ace Buddy"

Just curious on others perspectives....Personally it doesnt really bother me too much, but I'd prefer just to not know personally....I rarely ever do this myself, unless playing a friendly home game with close friends I know very well, then I might needle them about folding one of their outs, but in a tournament or against people I particularly dont know, I would never say anything.

Thoughts?

[Harlequin011]

Originally Posted by PFunk

When in a hand, and one player is all in against another, to which you fold one of their outs, is it considered bad ettiquette in your opinion to mention to the table that you folded one of the players outs? aka, does this bother you when other players do this to you?

For example: AK (shortstack) moves all in and is called down by 77, to which another person comments: "I folded an Ace Buddy"

Just curious on others perspectives....Personally it doesnt really bother me too much, but I'd prefer just to not know personally....I rarely ever do this myself, unless playing a friendly home game with close friends I know very well, then I might needle them about folding one of their outs, but in a tournament or against people I particularly dont know, I would never say anything

Thoughts?

There is nothing wrong with if all the action has been deceided. But its one of those things that can be irritating for a player to hear. When you do it make sure that the players want to know which outs were taken down.

[Wedge Rock]

I agree... nothing wrong with it when the action is over...

Remember when Sheiky laid down a hand but there was still action between Matusow and ??? at last years WSOP. Ans Sheiky reacted to the flop in such a way that it was known that he hit the flop?

Sheiky got a 10 minute penalty. Matusow got 10 too for telling Sheiky he needs to shut to f#ck up when the hand is live.

Now, saying there's nothing wrong with it doesn't answer the poll question. Hell yes it bothers me when I am behind and I get told that one of my outs is gone too... But it really doesn't change the percentages as much as you'd think.

If I have K-Q against J-J and the flop misses us both, there are 7 cards out.

The chances of me making another 10 are (1-(39/45)) + (1-(38/44)) = 24.7%

If someone tells me they folded a K (or a Q), my chances are (1-(39/44)) + (1-(38/43)) = 20.6%

Only a 4.1% drop... That said, it still bothers me...

EDIT: Actually, those percentages are wrong, because I forgot to figure in the possibility that a J would fall. If a Jack hits the turn or river, I can't win with KQ (unless there was a A/10 or 9/10 on the flop and the other hits the turn/river...straight beats trips...unless there is also a pair on the board...boat beats straight)... see possibilities get outrageous.

Two overcards are generally 45:55 to a pocket pair... Is there a poker caluclator out there that can take in to acount folded cards? I generally use the one at Bluff, and it doesn't have the option of doing this...

[Poppadaddy]

Originally Posted by Wedge Rock

I agree... nothing wrong with it when the action is over...

Remember when Sheiky laid down a hand but there was still action between Matusow and ??? at last years WSOP. Ans Sheiky reacted to the flop in such a way that it was known that he hit the flop?

Sheiky got a 10 minute penalty. Matusow got 10 too for telling Sheiky he needs to shut to f#ck up when the hand is live.

That was a classic!!! Man was Matusow po'd!! LOL.

[Vitesse304]

after an all in, it's not bad ettiquitte, but some players don't want to hear it.

I personally don't say anything, but I don't take offense to people saying that they had my outs.

When there is still action, any movement, or reaction to the flop really pisses me off.

[Wedge Rock]

Originally Posted by Poppadaddy

That was a classic!!! Man was Matusow po'd!! LOL.

Matusow should have been. I'm no fan of the Mouth, but the way Sheiky acted is not the way a professionalshould act... It did show Mike that Sheiky was starting to tilt, IMHO. But Mike may have been too hot to pick up on it.

[CaptLego]

I usually wait until the hand is over.

[Poppadaddy]

Originally Posted by Wedge Rock

Matusow should have been. I'm no fan of the mouth, but the way Sheiky acted is not the way a professional acted... But it did show Mike that Sheiky was starting to tilt, IMHO.

You're right I agree...I am not a big Matusow fan but it was funny. I know I would have been hot too.

[BlondWidow]

Personally, I'd rather not know when people have folded my outs. Even if the action is all decided, I'd rather just see what happens when the cards fall on the board.

[Spaceman Spiff]

Doesn't bother me in the slightest. It isn't going to change what cards are going to come the rest of the way anyway.