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Old 03-21-2006, 01:18 PM
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Re: Pot Limit Betting

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Can someone clarify for me. I've going to be having some pot limit hold 'em events for my upcoming season. I like limit games, but most of my guys don't, so I compromised by only having 1 limit game and sprinking in a few PL games in addition to the majority of NL games.

All right, just want to make sure I have the betting rules straight. Example, blinds are 25-50. So the first guy to act, if he wants to raise. His call is counted making the pot 125 and then he can raise 125, correct? In other words, he can raise to a total of 175. I think I have that right, but I'm not sure. Can someone confirm this for me?
We play mostly pot limit at our regular Friday game, and here are a few suggestions that might help you with your own game.

First, pick one or two players who can calculate rapidly in their heads and have them help figure out the maximum (pot-limit) bet that any player can make on his turn. I'll describe a way to quickly calculate the maximum bet below.

Second, if a player wants to bet the maximum, have him/her just announce "Pot" or "I pot" rather than trying to figure out the actual amount himself. "Pot" or "I pot" means that the player calls the previous raise and then raises the amount of the pot. It's a lot simpler to say just one word than to try to calculate the bet yourself.

Third, calculate the maximum bet that a player can make on his turn as follows: 3x the most recent bet/raise plus what's behind it. Here are some examples:

Example 1: SB - $0.25; BB - $0.50. UTG announces "Pot." His bet is:

3 x $0.50 = $1.50 (three times the most recent bet/raise -- the BB)
+ $0.25 (what's behind it -- i.e., the SB)
= $1.75

Example 2: Continuing the above example, UTG + 1 folds, and UTG + 2 announces "Pot." His bet is:

3 x $1.75 = $5.25 (three times the most recent raise - UTG's $1.75)
+ $0.50 + $0.25 = $0.75 (what's behind it -- i.e., the SB and BB)
= $6.00

Example 3: Continuing with the above example, everyone folds to the SB, who announces "Pot." His bet is:

3 x $6.00 = $18.00 (three times the most recent raise -- UTG + 2's bet)
+ $1.75 + $0.50 = $2.25 (what's behind it -- i.e., UTG's and BB's bets)
= $20.25

Note that in Example 3, the SB's $0.25 is NOT counted in calculating "what's behind it" since it will become part of his total bet.

Fourth, stack the chips neatly at the end of each betting round (in groups of $1.00, $5.00, $20.00, etc., with the odd chips stacked as well) and announce the size of the pot so that you can quickly determine the maximum bet at the beginning of the next betting round.

Fifth, be sure that each player buys in for an amount that's within his budget. At our regular Friday game, players buy in for anywhere from $40 to $200, and always have some cash in their pockets in case they bust out and want to rebuy. You need to be careful here, since a player can lose money quickly at pot limit. Even though our games start with blinds of $0.25 - $0.50 (!!), we have at least 3 - 6 pots in the $200 - $400 range during every game. Of course, a player should NEVER take money off the table, but we always allow a player to put cash on the table between hands.

Finally, never make any player play for stakes that exceed his comfort level. If pot limit stakes are too high, consider going back to limit poker.
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Re: Pot Limit Betting

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Example 1: SB - $0.25; BB - $0.50. UTG announces "Pot." His bet is:

3 x $0.50 = $1.50 (three times the most recent bet/raise -- the BB)
+ $0.25 (what's behind it -- i.e., the SB)
= $1.75

Example 2: Continuing the above example, UTG + 1 folds, and UTG + 2 announces "Pot." His bet is:

3 x $1.75 = $5.25 (three times the most recent raise - UTG's $1.75)
+ $0.50 + $0.25 = $0.75 (what's behind it -- i.e., the SB and BB)
= $6.00

Example 3: Continuing with the above example, everyone folds to the SB, who announces "Pot." His bet is:

3 x $6.00 = $18.00 (three times the most recent raise -- UTG + 2's bet)
+ $1.75 + $0.50 = $2.25 (what's behind it -- i.e., UTG's and BB's bets)
= $20.25
This is very useful! Thanks! I can get behind systems. Three times the last action plus the behind bets and I should be able to do that calc pretty quickly in my head.

This will be for a tournament, not a cash game, so I'm not worried about the pots or stakes getting out of control.
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