[DEEJAY]

Yes it is binding, so don't be stupid!

[smoore]

Originally Posted by mac40k

I play in a game where a guy folds out of turn quite frequently. It's not my game, so I don't make the rules and nobody else seems to mind since he will even fold his BB before waiting to see if the pot gets raised. When he's not folding out of turn he's the guy that has to be told, "It's your turn," then asks, "What's the action to me?" Ticks me off, but as I said it's not my game and the host doesn't have printed rules. People kid him about folding out of turn, but nobody has actually asked him not to do it.

re: this guy
sounds like a moron. he must be a donator for people to put up with it. if so, take his chips and smile.

re: folding out of turn
yeah, crappy move but there's not much penalty you can assign to it. if he continues to do it just let everyone know that they can use that information to thier advantage, "oooh, bob's not gonna bet this time!" he'll get the point.

re: other action out of turn
In my game you get two warnings then it's binding. if you've broken the two warnings before then you get one.

[whitepotatoe]

Originally Posted by smoore

re: folding out of turn
yeah, crappy move but there's not much penalty you can assign to it. if he continues to do it just let everyone know that they can use that information to thier advantage, "oooh, bob's not gonna bet this time!" he'll get the point.

The problem with just saying bob's not going to bet this time is that it does not affect bob. He is folding, so he obviously doesn't care whether someone before bets or raises with the assurance that he will fold. The people that get screwed in this situation are the people to bob's left. The people to bob's right get a windfall since they have information that helps them know how to act on their hand.

You have to penalize this guy by making him take a 10 minute timeout. Players that do this need punishment just like a 5 year old. "That's 1 Timmy, that's 2, alright, that's 3 your on timeout, go to your room."

[flavah]

I have a guy that likes to act out of turn and then we have to tell him its his turn. I've been asked by others not to ask him back to the games again. It does ruin the flow and mood of the evening. I have decided to start implimenting a small penality to deter people from doing this. There is one verbal warning per round, not per person, after that the first infraction, the person must match the small blind and throw it in the pot. Second infraction and thereafter, the person matching the big blind. Usually after people see one person having to do this, there is no more acting out of turn. most of the time, just the verbal threat of this rule keeps people from acting out of turn.

[Diablo_Rojos]

I try to keep my home games friendly, but not with out rules though.
For certain situations I apply the rules differently. Example: Raising, or calling out of turn is only tolerated if its announced that the action is 'check/raise or call in the dark'. If you say "...in the dark" its always binding.
If it's an accidental raise or call out of turn. (checking out of usually doesn't happen)
I give one warning with the option of taking chips off the pot (unless it the bet is splashed). I explain the rules and inform the person that the next time their bet is binding.

Folding out of turn is tolerated, but the offender is subject to verbal abuse.

[Brewster]

With regards to folding your hand out of turn. We generally tolerate it at our games but only if you use your time away from the table to get everyone a fresh drink.

[OnTheButton]

We handle it two ways.

First off, all out of turn actions are binding.

However, if you fold out of turn (per se) because you are sitting next to that quiet person (like my wife) who is often skipped because the action is moving around the table swiftly and then stops dead at her, and the person after her (or a slower player like that) folds believeing it is their action instead of hers, just as she pipes up and says, "Ummm, can I act first please?"

This player is not penalized, just reminded, but their fold or raise is still binding.

However if you fold (or act) 3 or 4 players AHEAD of the action, not only is your action still binding, but you are also penalized a big blind (50 cents in our case) into the next pot. (Not like a straddle bet, it just goes into the middle when that hand is over.) Even though it is a small amount, it seems to be working well.

If it is an honest mistake, no big deal, but still binding. If you are just being impatient, then a BB fine will be imposed. If you do it regularly (even honestly) then you will suffer the wrath of being mocked at the table for being premature for the next 5 hands.

We actually had a circumstance last game were my wife was skipped, the player after her acted with a pre-flop raise, (He said $2 raise out of turn) and as she piped up to remind him it was not his turn, she (now her turn) smartly ALSO decided to raise, (She raised to $5) forcing that player to commit to a re-raise of $10, since his action was declared to be a raise.

He was now stuck with betting $10 on his J 10 suited (he was trying to buy the blinds with a 4x BB bet to a few limpers) against her K K. He didn't act out of turn the rest of the night.

[Stan'sHero]

Acting out of turn is binding.

Punishable? That's up to the rules of the local game IMHO.

But, it's free information! I love it when I'm pondering a raise and someone behind me shouts "OH YEAH! I'm all-in!"

[JM]

I can understand the problem with acting out of turn for all actions except the folding out of turn. How does that possibly affect the other players in the hand?

[OnTheButton]

Originally Posted by JM

I can understand the problem with acting out of turn for all actions except the folding out of turn. How does that possibly affect the other players in the hand?

IMO it's just plain disrespectful to the "order" of the table, and can cause problems and confusion.

It's still an action, it's still not your turn, and it still messes up the flow of the hand.

What I've seen is that often someone acts out of turn (let's say fold or check) and after that out of turn person acts, it seems to start a chain of actions behind it.

Let's say there are 6 players that call the blind to get to the flop.

Player 1 opens with a bet, and while player 2 is thinking, player 3 folds. Player 4 sees player 3 fold and folds himself. Player 5 sees player 4 fold, and folds as well, and right afterwards, player 6 thinks it's their turn, and raises to try and steal the pot since he is last to act. This all happens in about 3 seconds since everyone (except player 3 who acted out of turn and started this mess) is performing their chosen action based on the person before them acting.

Meanwhile player 2 pipes up as player 6 verbally declares "raise" and says, "Whoa, wait, I didn't even act yet! Can I have 5 seconds to act before the rest of the table makes their moves?"

What you have now is a skipped player, that caused an avalanche of premature action and a late acting player with a bet on the table, while player 2 was actually thinking about how MUCH to raise.

Because of that 3rd player folding out of turn, the action must now ALL be stopped, and backed up to player #2 who had yet to act. The folds still must stand, but can you make player 6's action (who was trying to steal) binding since all he saw was a slew of folds before him/her?

One player performing ANY kind of action out of turn can mess up the rhythm of the table on any given hand or street.