[gwilkx]

Originally Posted by Double Eagle

First, a verbal declaration is binding and you can not put more chips in the pot than you announced. The $50 must come back.

Second, you can NOT make several motions after calling raise. You may make one motion to place the amount of chips equal to the call, and then the raise must be made with in one additional motion. When you are watching on TV and you think you are seeing several motions, the players are just staging their bets next to their chip stacks before placing them out on the betting area.

this is absolutely correct. the only time that you can make 2 motions is if you do this:

1) say "raise"
2) put in the amount of chips required for the call
3) put in the amount of your raise in one motion OR, say the amount of the raise. once you say the amount of the raise, you can not change your mind, but you can put the chips in one at a time if you like (but don't do that)

you see this 2 motion move on TV all the time. normally, people who are RE-RAISING will do it this way so that the dealer can pull in the "called" portion of the original raise, and then leave the "RE" part of the re-raise separate (so the original raiser can see what's already in the pot and what he/she has to call. don't forget that when you re-raise someone, the amount that you have to match to cover their original raise is already in the pot (for the purposes of pot odds).

i also agree with what's been said above. if you're first into the pot on a betting round, oversized chip is full value. if someone is already in, oversized chip is a call unless you verbally declare raise before the chip hits the table. if you throw in 2 chips that together add up to an amount greater than twice the original bet, you don't have to say anything.

don't you just love raising?

gw-