How would you handle it

truck32 · Tweet this Post! #1 05-23-2010, 08:34 AM

While playing some Texas nl holdem home games about 7 of us some mishaps occur here an there. We all share the dealing an sometimes while dealing everone their two cards one card got exposed soo we redeal all the cards
We have a rule for when the cards are being dealt if one of the cards is exposed we redeal it.
If the card is an A the dealer redeals
If the card is an 2 the dealer redeals
you cannot choose if you want to keep the card.
So here we go the cards are dealt and betting is on.
One player is all in and someone makes the call. Everyone else folds out. Both players turn up their cards
The dealer who is not in the game does the flop one player hits 2 pair the other nothing. Next move the dealer flipped up the burn card for the turn and immediately caught himself an burned it. Then he turned up the turn card in order. Well immediately one of the players said that's a misdeal. We said why is that a misdeal. He said house rule state that if the dealer makes a mistake while dealing a redeal is due. But we did no redeal the cards played out in order and he lost and said the hand was bullshit... His wife also agreed with him and said if they were in a casino the casino would have paid both of them. Not sure how true that is but anyways...... I said since both of you were all in no more betting was going to happen on the hand no misdeal burn the right card and proceed to the turn. Burn the next card an proceed too the river. Just wondering what do you think.

squiggly · Tweet this Post! #2 05-23-2010, 09:03 AM

Gameplayer Poker Books

That's Bob Caffione's site, writer and keeper of "Robert's Rules of Poker". Download it, print it, and correct the dealer errors do your whole group can enjoy a proper game without bickering and/or hurt feelings when a completely incorrect rule is implemented.

Initial dealing is only a redeal if the first or second card out are exposed. There is a procedure in the rules for replacing the exposed card.

The exposed burn card should not play. It is turned over and the correct turn is used. No harm, no foul since there was no betting left.

You will all enjoy the game a lot more when the rules are known and used.

War-Lord · Tweet this Post! #3 05-23-2010, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by truck32

While playing some Texas nl holdem home games about 7 of us some mishaps occur here an there. We all share the dealing an sometimes while dealing everone their two cards one card got exposed soo we redeal all the cards
We have a rule for when the cards are being dealt if one of the cards is exposed we redeal it.
If the card is an A the dealer redeals
If the card is an 2 the dealer redeals
you cannot choose if you want to keep the card.
So here we go the cards are dealt and betting is on.
One player is all in and someone makes the call. Everyone else folds out. Both players turn up their cards
The dealer who is not in the game does the flop one player hits 2 pair the other nothing. Next move the dealer flipped up the burn card for the turn and immediately caught himself an burned it. Then he turned up the turn card in order. Well immediately one of the players said that's a misdeal. We said why is that a misdeal. He said house rule state that if the dealer makes a mistake while dealing a redeal is due. But we did no redeal the cards played out in order and he lost and said the hand was bullshit... His wife also agreed with him and said if they were in a casino the casino would have paid both of them. Not sure how true that is but anyways...... I said since both of you were all in no more betting was going to happen on the hand no misdeal burn the right card and proceed to the turn. Burn the next card an proceed too the river. Just wondering what do you think.

What I think is ....

If no other action could be had (at least 1 player All-In, no no other players that have chips) then it is irrelivant of the dealer screw up, it should be corrected and proceed, about the only way you would change anything here is ... lets say 2 people in the pot (1 is all in) as the dealer goes to flop the cards he by accident throws the Deck (remaining cards) accross the room (on the floor) - THIS IS STILL NOT A MISDEAL, you would pick the cards up, count them to be sure all cards are there (2 players hands + any folded cards still on the table) then shuffle them and proceed to burn and turn. Point being is that A MISDEAL WOULD NOT BE THE RIGHT RULE HERE

if no further action can occur, first priority is to try and put the cards out in the same order THAT THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN if no mistake occured, and since no one is going to benefit from any exposed cards they become irrelevant

In fact you could even for S**ts & Giggles deal the burn cards face up - it has no berring on the outcome

Cheers

VARoadstter · Tweet this Post! #4 05-23-2010, 10:13 AM

Please don't crosspost.

I already replied to the other but I'll repeat it here, the hand was correctly dealt with. The man and his wife are completely wrong. No casino would ever rule that hand dead.

Lottery Larry · Tweet this Post! #5 05-25-2010, 02:34 PM

Correcting an error by grossly changing the play of the hand, up to that point, is GROSSLY incorrect.

JoseRijo · Tweet this Post! #6 05-28-2010, 07:42 AM

Get bergman to kick the angle shooter and the angle shooter's wife in the lower abdomen area.

War-Lord · Tweet this Post! #7 05-28-2010, 07:53 AM

I've seen this crap sooooo many times

I will GUARENTEE that if the Villian had been on top in that flop, he would never have opened his mouth, even if he did think it should be a misdeal.

This person and his wife sound alot like my buddy and his wife - they have been married so long that my buddies wife no longer has any ability to reason, she just blindly goes along with her hubby, no matter how wrong he is

(but i guess that's good for them)

Point is this guy sounds like a "Dutch Bag"

(No offence to the Dutch)

Cheers

rakrul · Tweet this Post! #8 06-04-2010, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by truck32

While playing some Texas nl holdem home games about 7 of us some mishaps occur here an there. We all share the dealing an sometimes while dealing everone their two cards one card got exposed soo we redeal all the cards
We have a rule for when the cards are being dealt if one of the cards is exposed we redeal it.
If the card is an A the dealer redeals
If the card is an 2 the dealer redeals
you cannot choose if you want to keep the card.

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Originally Posted by Robert's Rule of Poker

2. The following circumstances cause a misdeal, provided attention is called to the error before two players have acted on their hands.
(a) The first or second card of the hand has been exposed by a dealer error.

1. If the initial holecard dealt to the first or second player is exposed, a misdeal results. The dealer will retrieve the card, reshuffle, and recut the cards. If any other holecard is exposed due to a dealer error, the deal continues. The exposed card may not be kept. After completing the hand, the dealer replaces the card with the top card on the deck, and the exposed card is then used for the burncard. If more than one holecard is exposed, this is a misdeal and there must be a redeal.

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Originally Posted by truck32

So here we go the cards are dealt and betting is on.
One player is all in and someone makes the call. Everyone else folds out. Both players turn up their cards
The dealer who is not in the game does the flop one player hits 2 pair the other nothing. Next move the dealer flipped up the burn card for the turn and immediately caught himself an burned it. Then he turned up the turn card in order. Well immediately one of the players said that's a misdeal. We said why is that a misdeal. He said house rule state that if the dealer makes a mistake while dealing a redeal is due. But we did no redeal the cards played out in order and he lost and said the hand was bullshit... His wife also agreed with him and said if they were in a casino the casino would have paid both of them. Not sure how true that is but anyways...... I said since both of you were all in no more betting was going to happen on the hand no misdeal burn the right card and proceed to the turn. Burn the next card an proceed too the river. Just wondering what do you think.

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Originally Posted by Robert's Rule of Poker

1. Once action begins, a misdeal cannot be called. The deal will be played, and no money will be returned to any player whose hand is fouled. In button games, action is considered to occur when two players after the blinds have acted on their hands. In stud games, action is considered to occur when two players after the forced bet have acted on their hands.

16. If the dealer fails to burn a card or burns more than one card, the error should be corrected if discovered before betting action has started for that round. Once action has been taken on a boardcard, the card must stand. Whether the error is able to be corrected or not, subsequent cards dealt should be those that would have come if no error had occurred. For example, if two cards were burned, one of the cards should be put back on the deck and used for the burncard on the next round. On the last round, if there was no betting because a player was all-in, the error should be corrected if discovered before the pot has been awarded, provided the deck stub, boardcards, and burncards are all sufficiently intact to determine the proper replacement card.

Home Poker Tourney - Robert's Rules of Poker Version 11

whataboutj · Tweet this Post! #9 06-04-2010, 07:52 AM

Post #2 & #8 FTW -- LOCK IT UP!!!!!!!

Your "friends" definitely sound like they were angle shooting on a hand they knew they weren't going to win.

If I were you (I assume hosting the game) I would print this section of Robert's rules of poker and review it before the next game.

And LOLOLOL at a Casino paying both players in the scenario from the OP

JD Roark · Tweet this Post! #10 06-07-2010, 02:26 PM

Not sure it was expressly stated above, but if a card is exposed (that is not the first or second one dealt) then the exposed card is pulled aside and becomes the burn card for the flop and you continue dealing. After all the other cards are dealt, you give the next card to the player whose card was exposed (replacing the exposed card). This way there is only one card changed in the entire hand and the flop is the same 3 cards that would have come out if it was dealt perfectly.

Of course when your first card is an ace and the second one is an ace that is exposed, it really sucks, and you will hate on the guy that did that to you for months, especially when the card that replaces it is a offsuit 6, and especially when it happens at a crucial time in the tournament, and you ended up bubbling! ---Yes, I am a little bitter