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Old 04-06-2007, 12:33 PM
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Use of a Joker in a Hold'Em Game

I heard of a guy who likes to play Hold'Em Poker with the Joker that comes with the deck of cards. How does this affect the "outs" calculation - for pairs, 3 of a kinds etc it gives you one more out. But what about for cards to a straight or flush - it seems as though needing 2 cards to get a straight, a joker impacts more than just adding one "out".

Also are there rules stating that when a joker is used, it can only be used to make pairs, 3 of a kinds etc and not straights or flushes?

Pai Gow poker I think has some kind of rule like this.
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Re: Use of a Joker in a Hold'Em Game

You have the rule wrong. For Pai Gow the joker is used for Straight or Flushes only and if not it is used as an Ace only.
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Re: Use of a Joker in a Hold'Em Game

Yes you are correct - thanks
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Re: Use of a Joker in a Hold'Em Game

We only use them for cut cards.
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Re: Use of a Joker in a Hold'Em Game

The Joker (or Bug) only really makes sense for certain lowball or draw games.
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Re: Use of a Joker in a Hold'Em Game

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The Joker (or Bug) only really makes sense for certain lowball or draw games.
Some details please.
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Re: Use of a Joker in a Hold'Em Game

The joker: it is also the bug since the Bee deck was popular and the joker on the Bee deck has a child standing on a bee).

What I am describing is for non-home games:

Before hold em and stud was legalized in California card clubs (mid 1980's, I believe) the only games available were draw type games (high draw, lowball and sometimes jacks back.) On high draws you could use the joker for an ace, to complete a straight, to complete a flush, or to complete a straight flush). On lowball you could use it for the lowest unpaired card for your hand.
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Re: Use of a Joker in a Hold'Em Game

The joker on a hold em game would be too complicated and impractical since:

1. If the joker comes on the board there are just too many possibilities.

2. If a player has it in his/her hand s/he almost has an insurmountable edge, again, because the community cards all players share.

3. Even if you make the joker just to complete the straight/flush only (not even an ace) it will not work because of condition No. 1.

The joker should be used for non-community card poker games.
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Re: Use of a Joker in a Hold'Em Game

I say it is your game!! If you want to use the joker, up to you altho it is not commonly use for holdem. Most common use is as the bug, good for A's, straight's and flushes or not as common, it can be completely wild. That can upset some calculation of outs and odds.
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