[Savior17]

We play a 10c/20c NLHE game that has gotten a bit out of hand recently with the addition of some new players. The new guys are raising or re-raising $5 or all in (with about $20) after a few players limped or made a standard raise of 3 to 4x the BB.
To curb the all-ins and huge re-raises, do you have any thoughts on capping raises preflop to say pot or something similar?

Thanks

[miandsh2000]

Originally Posted by Savior17

We play a 10c/20c NLHE game that has gotten a bit out of hand recently with the addition of some new players. The new guys are raising or re-raising $5 or all in (with about $20) after a few players limped or made a standard raise of 3 to 4x the BB.
To curb the all-ins and huge re-raises, do you have any thoughts on capping raises preflop to say pot or something similar?

Thanks

why would you want to. sounds as if you have a 'cash cow'. these have always been the most profitable games, IMO.

but if you wanted to, you could swith your came to a pot limit game.

[Savior17]

I hear ya, but we have a nice thing going without these monster raises. We don't want to play pot limit - it's just a different game.
I have to mull this over a bit.

[mac40k]

The stakes are too low for the new guys. Obviously, $20 doesn't mean that much and if they push it in and get called by a real hand, they aren't worried about it. You need to raise the stakes to the point where they'll respect a raise. I recently had to change my 50c/$1 game to $1/$2 for this very reason. Most every pot was opened for $6-$10 and still got 2-3 callers. After raising the stakes an $8 opening raise now gets more respect.

If they are pushing with $20 and scooping pot after pot because the other guys don't want to call or don't want to play for that much money, then you have to decide if the two groups of players should be invited to the same game. You can't say you're playing NLHE if you're capping the betting.

[smoore]

http://www.chiptalk.net/forum/home-p...-postflop.html

I like this concept that was proposed by Caffione in a recent issue of Card Player. A couple people agreed with it in my poll.

[Savior17]

Tough decision on this. Everyone but 1 or 2 players understands the type of game this is. Most pots end up over $8 anyway, and some are near $20. I don't want to cause confusion over how much the raise should be, etc. So, we may, as Mac said, keep the games separate. I like the 10c/20c game a lot. Great guys and good players. Some of them can't do more than a $20 buyin. That's why we have those stakes. I think a gentle reminder to the maniacs will result in 2 things: either they won't play anymore or they will calm down.
We'll see next game.....

[Double Eagle]

Originally Posted by smoore

http://www.chiptalk.net/forum/home-p...-postflop.html

I like this concept that was proposed by Caffione in a recent issue of Card Player. A couple people agreed with it in my poll.

I was going to suggest the same thing, pot limit pre-flop and no limit post-flop.

This should accomplish what you are looking for.

[MeridianFC]

I think it's a stakes & personality issue. At those low limits the bets just don't mean anything to the loose cannons and since they don't those players might not be a good fit for your game if you don't want to adjust stakes. If they play like you describe I'd imagine they'd just wait till post flop to ram and jam.

just my 20 cents.

[TheMightyJim2k]

If you really want to stop it then bring $50 with you one night and play sheriff. Every time that one of these players gets totally out of hand just repop them all-in with any reasonable hand considering their range (and decent pkt pair AJ+, KQs etc). If they are really raising light all of the time (which they must be if they do this every hand) then you will be +EV over the long run. After you gamble with them and crack them a few times they'll probably slow down.

Or you could just turn it into pot-limit preflop, and no-limit after the flop like they do on those speed-poker shows on foxsports.

edit: I should add that you have to be somewhat smart about playing sheriff. If you are doing this with marginal hands you need to make sure that you are in late position and the pot is going to be headsup with one of these maniacs. The other players in the game probably have higher starting requirements, and if you start getting in multi-way flops with them or playing out of position you might find yourself spewing money.

My college home game had a guy who started playing like this and threw off the whole dynamic. One night I made sure I sat to his left, and any time he was first to open in late position and I had a decent hand I just pounded on him. By the end of the night he slowed down, and stopped making crazy overbets every hand.

[jdunford]

It may not sound like much fun, but if you want to teach them a lesson simply by playing poker, let them do this. At $0.10/.20 blinds, if they keep raising $10-20 preflop, you only need to win every 50th hand or so. Basically fold everything until you are dealt a high pocket pair, then take their money. It makes for dull and boring poker, but after they win $0.30 several times and then lose $20 a few times, maybe they'll start playing "smarter".

Otherwise I'd go with what others have suggested and either up the blinds/stakes or split the groups. You could tell these guys "you're simply too good for the rest of us. Please go find a tougher game" or something like that.