[Quads]

This is almost an exact duplicate of the thread / discussion we have had ongoing for over a year now over at Keen's place.

(the other thread has more gun pr0n)

It always shocks me in what a heated discussion this "topic" becomes when it comes to discussion.

[shadesofgrey]

Originally Posted by Irish Se7en

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The point of this link? For or against?

For. I've got family.

My family contains law enforcement members who carry all the time. they are always welcome to my home games.

without that off-duty officer, they'd be diggin more graves.. kudos to the officer who had the nads & will to do as he did. period.

guns are tools for unkind or game.

[RTBrandy]

I think that everyone would agree that the GENERAL answer to this debate is dependent on the situation.

Guns don't bother me at all...we play cards at the hunt club and Deer Camp and on hunting trips all the time...usually at least one of us is cleaning a gun during the game...

In Michigan and Texas, guys I've played with are holstered all the time...

HOWEVER, at my house, in Chicago, I'd find it really odd if someone was carrying in my house. I'd ask you not to, simply because it would make others uncomfortable (clearly, much more so than me).
Now, my friends who are cops carry all the time, same with FBI. Of course I have no problem with that, but I'm painfully aware that just because they're cops, they don't qualify as having any common sense, and they're the first person I'd have an eye on in case there were ever any 'situations'

Sometimes, the gun holder is the one that winds up escalating a problem, by yapping about how he's 'packing' or by showing it. It's just a bad idea.

[legend]

Ironically on Family Guy last night, peter Griffin got a gun. The NRA peeps then showed him a video with the ending..."remember, guns don't kill people, dangerous minorities do!"...this was almost as funny as when Homer Simpson went to buy a gun. The guy at the gunshop tells Homer there's a 3 day waiting period in order to buy one. Homer's response.."But I'm mad now"
In Mass the gun laws are really tough. If you get caught with an unregistered handgun, it's a year in the can automatically. Some people have enemies and need to be armed at all times. If you are the big winner at a card game and are walking out of a place with 4 or 5 grand, you might want to have a gun on you. Junkies will rob and kill you for $100 if they knew you had it in your pocket. I don't carry a gun, but if I won at Irish Se7en's house, I would want an escort out to my car. Some games I've played in have guys there to make sure the game doesn't get robbed or any of the players leaving the club. When you have 20-30 guys playing a $500 buy-in there's alot of money in one room. The players need to feel safe or they wouldn't come.

[weak]

Originally Posted by Harlequin011

I don't carry a gun because I frequent places that I think I'll need one. I avoid those places altogether if I can. I'm not a hero and I don't think of myself as Rambo. I carry to defend myself, and my family.

I'm getting so tired of this argument. All statistics prove that you're doing exactly the opposite to your family by having a gun around!
Nothing personal, carry a gun as long as you want, I for my part am very glad that it's virtually impossible to do that where I live. Just take a look at the number of casualities in the US...

Originally Posted by Harlequin011

* How would you feel if you knew a person was armed in your poker game? Would it bother you? Would you ask that person to remove it?

Let me answer that with a question, how would you feel if somebody you don't know brings a gun to your home and doesn't even tell you?

[Nexttime]

Originally Posted by shadesofgrey

To my amazement, there was only one other person at the table besides me who didnt have a gun.... Moral: dont pull a knife on a poker table in oregon.

Oh, I'd said that is probably a good idea in just about every state. heh

[Harlequin011]

Originally Posted by Irish Se7en

HQ I'm not sure if you answered it already but why do you bring the gun to a new poker game?

HQ, if you came to my house, someone would have to vouch for you or I already would know you. If you decided to carry a firearm inside my house, I could care less. Now if you decided to do something foolish with said firearm, then yes at that point I would be upset. If you were a boozebag and were also carrying, I would have an issue. However, if we were just playing cards, I could care less.

HQ is on of the most respected members here and people jumped all over him. We respect his opinion on a number of issues, what's changed because he decides to carry a firearm at poker games?

Scott great post and they were more elequent than mine.

edit: not to sound like a complete ass, if you asked people/players not to carry I wouldn't. If you didn't ask, then I wouldn't tell.

As I've stated before I carry mostly for the to and from aspects. If a group of robbers show up with guns. They get the money. It's that simple. I won't kill or be killed over money or property.

I always know one or two people via invite. And generally, I'm fairly well known in the local player circuit. I don't attend games where I think I'll need a gun. I'm not a soldier, it's not my job to secure poker games. I make no indication that I am carrying, as that would be irresponsible. I do not brandish my weapon, as that would be illegal.

However, I will honor any homeowner's request, or player for that matter.

I don't feel like anybody has been jumping on me. I've recieved the responses that I was looking for. Which is most people voicing their opinions would not want a concealed weapon in their house. It looks like my gun will get locked in the car if it comes down to that.

And MasterBrewer... I'll rub your nose in it!

[Harlequin011]

Originally Posted by weak

Let me answer that with a question, how would you feel if somebody you don't know brings a gun to your home and doesn't even tell you?

I wouldn't mind a bit. Unless they were being a fool about it.

But a holstered gun doesn't bother me. And a holstered gun that I don't see, doesn't even register as anything note-worthy.

[weak]

Originally Posted by Harlequin011

I wouldn't mind a bit. Unless they were being a fool about it.

But a holstered gun doesn't bother me. And a holstered gun that I don't see, doesn't even register as anything note-worthy.

so you're basically telling me that an armed foreigner walking into your house isn't a possible threat to your family, but still you feel like you have to carry a gun to protect them? does he have to pull it out first to prove that somebody could get shot?

doesn't make much sense to me, but i guess that's just the cultural background. seems like a gun makes a different impression if you're used to people being armed.
i've actually never seen a private individual having a holstered and loaded gun in my whole life (although a lot of people i know have rifles for hunting). so maybe you can imagine the impression you'd leave around here.

don't get me wrong, i have no problem with you carrying a gun if you're allowed to (others will do it too), i just don't think it's a good idea to allow it in general.

[Harlequin011]

so you're basically telling me that an armed foreigner walking into your house isn't a possible threat to your family, but still you feel like you have to carry a gun to protect them? does he have to pull it out first to prove that somebody could get shot?

You are assuming a lot here and you are not either reading my posts or the concept is beyond you. First off, I don't let any true strangers into my home without somehow knowing something about them. Much like a poker invite, people would know me there.

Does someone need to pull a gun to prove themselves a threat? Well unless they are putting off bad vibes or talking aggressively, or appear not with it. Then YES. They would need to pull the gun for me to realize it. But at the same time if their intent is to harm me then they wouldn't care what my stance is on guns.

You are lumping all people that carry firearms into a group of aggressive criminals. I have kitchen knives in the drawer. Those could be in anybody's chest by your illustration. The knife or the gun is going to be used just because it can. Weapons don't employ themselves.

doesn't make much sense to me, but i guess that's just the cultural background. seems like a gun makes a different impression if you're used to people being armed.
i've actually never seen a private individual having a holstered and loaded gun in my whole life (although a lot of people i know have rifles for hunting). so maybe you can imagine the impression you'd leave around here.

There is indeed a cultural gap here. This question is not meant for people who would have a firearm illegally brought into a game.

don't get me wrong, i have no problem with you carrying a gun if you're allowed to (others will do it too), i just don't think it's a good idea to allow it in general.

Respected.