[Deuce]

Originally Posted by 2_hotty

How do you handle the dealing at your game? Does it rotate? Was this just his turn? Accusing someone of cheating is a very touchy area.


On a side note, I recently was accused of cheating. I was invited to a buddies home game. He even asked me ahead of time to take it easy on his buddies, because they're not very good and he didn't want me to scare them off. I just kind of brushed it off. Well, with JTo I limped in a pot with a limper behind me, and the SB raised pot. It was .50/1 pot limit, so the raise was small. I called, limper called. Flop was 7c8h9c. SB bets $5. I raise pot, 2nd limper re-raises pot, SB goes all in, and I end up putting 2nd limper all in. Cards are turned over and I show the nut straight. 2nd limper shows 6cTc for the sucker straight and a str flush draw, and SB show AcKc for A high flush draw. Turn and river are blanks and I bust both of them. I ended up busting the original SB within an hour later, flopping top two and having him bet into me the whole way.

Not one word was said at the table, but a day or two later the SB guy was telling his buddies (that were there) that I was a cheater. The way the game worked was one guy always shuffled, and one dealt. During the TJ hand, I was dealing (but I didn't shuffle the deck!) At first I laughed about it, but the more I thought about it, the more it pissed me off that he would accuse me of that.

We rotate dealers the whole night and no one really cuts cards. Most of us all know eachother and when someone new comes we assume they are cool. I dont relly think the guy cheated because trying to fix a deck like that would have to be soooo hard... especially with people at the table BUT... two of my regulars are thinking he could of so Im just asking what type of things should I do to make everyone feel better. I guess I can just deal every hand so I know there is no cheating going on ad Im sure it would make everyone feel better.

[Deuce]

Originally Posted by Magus 23

This is a really tough call. I'm always reluctant to call "cheater" unless I've really got hard proof. But this particular situation seems like something out of a (bad) Hollywood screenplay. Seems like it went a little off-script with BB folding (they probably hadn't counted on UTG's all-in before the flop), but otherwise, it looks like a classic cheating setup.

On the other hand, it seems too obvious. Weird s--- happens. This weird...? I don't know. But I find it hard to imagine that someone who was going to cheat would be this blatant about it (although the dealer's comment does make it seem like it might have been a "joke" gone bad).

Even if you do decide to rule that the dealer was cheating, you've still got the open question of whether or not your regular (SB) was in on it. Or if not the specifics, then knew that his "friend" could be a little shady. It's gonna be awkward no matter what.

I'd probably lean toward coming up with a political excuse for not bringing the "friend" back, but probably avoid any overt accusations without something more.

If you do get more...

Yeah, and another strange thing is that the SB (AA) didnt even make a move when the Q cam on the turn to give UTG broadway. He normally gets a little whiney when people suck out but he didnt make a noise or anything.

[Deuce]

Originally Posted by MeridianFC

BTW how did the SB get jacked up to $225 in a $20 buy in game?

I try to keep the game small because of things like this (its just supposed to be a friendly game) but we have a group of guys that rebuy like crazy some nights. We had about 12-14 players thru the night (people come and go) and each of them had bought in more then once expect me and UTG (KK) of the last hand. The SB had busted twice but then just became a card rack. He got AA about 3 times after he had busted out twice and KK twice. He seemed to always make a hand even when his buddy wasnt dealing. In no time he had like $225 bucks... before last night I had been the biggest winnder with about a $180 profit. He cashed out over $300 for like a $260 profit. Not bad for a $20 buy-in game huh?

[pkf655]

if you are not losing that much money one time I would let this slide. tell your friends to keep an eye on him and you do the same dont tell your friend that bought him and see what happens you may find a cheater and lose a friend?????

[99%evil]

Keep watching him, if you notice a hanger, teach him what county workers do to cheaters....oh wait, that sounds too cliche.

Tough call, I'd say instate cutting of the deck and maybe have people shuffle the next guys deck, that way that can't manipulate the shuffle. If you've ever watched any mechanics on TV, they can do some pretty incredible stuff with you looking for them to cheat. If someone you trust shuffles for the guy, then maybe it's cool, but the team mentality works well in any con, so be very wary of them.

I was half accused of cheating one night, I happened to deal myself K,K twice in an evening when I had the deal (we rotate around the table with each hand). I had forgotten that I had dealt myself a K,K earlier ( perhaps 2 hours earlier ) and one individual, (the Phil helmuth of our group, named for the attitude not skill) mentioned after I took down the pot, "Hmmmm, you dealt yourself Kings twice tonight, that's funny, I've got to pay attention to you when you deal I guess". I laughed at him, said if I was a mechanic, I'd be playing for much bigger money than .50/1.00 poker. I can't even shuffle nevermind screw witht he deck. Later I thought about it and was a bit perturbed that he'd even say something. Anyway, he's always got an excuse for why he can't believe people don't fold winning hands to his bluffs, I guess this may have been one.

[gwilkx]

i don't find this particular hand to be all that suspicious. once in a while some crazy thing happens in my game, and i know for a fact that no one is cheating (me, my wife, my best friend, and my brother-in-law).

4-handed, STT, 3 players get it all in PF = QQ, KK, TT. flop is TJQ, river A. it happens.

we use the "guy behind the dealer shuffles" rule, and have 2 decks in play until it's heads up. then someone who's out deals the remaining hands.

keep and eye out, sure. but this wouldn't be enough to convince me that the guy's a mechanic.

gw-

[Dissolved]

It does sound like Riverstars to me too.. the AA KK QQ battles on there every night.

I personaly think its just luck. Don't you ever notice how when someone has a pair, Almost always someone else has one as well? Im not like JOJO and know all the odds, but ive Dealt alot in my home games and ive seen QQ AA KK once oe twice. So Its just one of theose Hands That just get you wondering about poker.

Just watch him deal and see if he does anything weird. If he does, then ask him to shuffle differently or have someone do a weird cut.

Deuce, If your ever down we hold Long session .25/.50 $20 Games that last 4-10hours almost every weekend in whittier.

[internetgolf]

wow this is a easy one do not invite him to play anymore if its in your house.. or always have someone cut the deck before the deal

[smoore]

I missed this last week.

The solution is simple, IMO. Use two decks.

Next game simply introduce the "shuffle behind" method. Insist it's to "speed up the game". Stare directly at the questionable character while you are explaining how it works. His reaction will tell you whether or not he cheated.

[drake]

I did not read the whole thread but I think it would be very hard to set the deck quickly to make these three hands to come out.


BUT, to leave out any chance.

Having the big blind shuffle for the next hand with an extra deck during the current hand.......

The Big blind shuffles the deck and slides the deck to the Small blind with the CUT CARD on top of the shuffled deck.

The Small blind only slides the cut card off the top of deck onto the table and cuts the cards once and deals.


Drake