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Old 02-26-2006, 04:01 PM
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Inviting people from the internet to your home game.

I try to run a home tournament quarterly, and a monthly cash game; however, in during the last year all my regular players have either moved away, or their family and careers have taken priority. My tournament numbers have shrunk to 4 people now. (That sucks) I've been considering posting my tournament on the Internet in hopes of getting my tournament numbers back up to where they should be 8 to 16.
I'm hoping to discuss some of the issues and hopefully get some feed back from you all.
There are several problems that we face when considering allowing people to come to a home tourney or cash game from an Internet posting.
1. Chip security.
2. Game security
3. Cash security
4. Trusting people you don't know.

Chip security is very important; people who may come from the Internet may be hiding chips in their pockets. Plain dice and suited ABS composite chips are very common, inexpensive, and very insecure. At one time or another a lot of us have owned a set of these. (I own a set of these, but I hope to upgrade eventually )
It's not out of the realm of possibilities that a stranger from the Internet will bring some black and green dice or suited chips for an easy score. There are several things you can try to mitigate this for those of us who were too cheap to get hot stamped chips. (me)
(An article may be forth coming showing the actual security enhancements discussed below.)
The most common chip colors available for dice and suited chips are white, red, green, blue, and black. There are, however, other colors available. Yellow, orange, purple, brown, light blue, pink, burgundy, and gray, plus Dice "B" styles are available too. http://www.chipsandgames.com/index.a...TS&Category=41
(I am not associated with this site in anyway. I'm just using it as a reference)
You may want to use the less common colors in your tournament. This will thwart
any attempts of someone sneaking in common chips.
Adding custom sticker inlays is also another option, however, this can be very time consuming and expensive. So if you're going to enhance your security that way you may as well buy some higher end chips and save some time and cash.
An intriguing option is painting or stamping the chips with a day glow acrylic or invisible acrylic ink. This maybe a labor intensive, but its relatively inexpensive. 100ml of various colors can be purchased at a local art store. An alphanumeric rubber die set can also be purchased too.
(I'm currently working on these enhancements and I'll post the results along with pictures with in a forth-coming article.)

Keeping your game secure is just as important as chip security. Game security is basically ensuring the rules of your tournament are followed. Make sure that if a tournament or house rule, such as splashing the pot, is routinely violated by a guest (any guest) that guest will be removed from play and they're stack is forfeit. When I first started my Tourneys I had a 3 strikes and you’re out rule on pot splash. 1st violation; the offender receives a warning. The 2nd violation the offender loses 300 TC to the pot, which he can win back. The 3rd violation he's removed from the table and his stack is removed from play. Pot splashing is a pretty minor offense in my opinion, but splashing could be used to cheat so if someone is doing it a lot they may be up to something. It's always a good idea to give people the benefit of the doubt for some rules, they may not always know all the rules, but consistent rule breaking shouldn't be tolerated. Most hosts don't want to be the bad guy by sending someone home, but to ensure the integrity of your game sometimes it's necessary.
If someone comes and jacks your game with a firearm or knife or such, give them the money. Your life and safety is more important than a few bucks. That said you still should take the time to secure the cash. Make sure everyone pays before they get their chips. Lock the cash away in a safe place. I always lock the cash in secure place and keep a record of the exact amount where everyone can see, plus I have a second party count the money in front of everyone else. Keeping the money locked up ensures that someone who busts out early won't be tempted to grab the cash and run. Keeping a record of the exact prize pool and breakdowns will show what’s there when the tourney starts and ends to ensure someone doesn't think they're getting ripped off.
The final part of the equation when inviting people from the Internet is trust.
Stay alert for some one who's trying to scam you. Don't let yourself get victimized.
Don't allow Internet guest to show up with friends. Even though always nice to have an extra person, you're just setting yourself up. Make sure they're email address or handle matches your list. Get their real name and address too and make them show their ID (yes IDs can be faked). It may be a good idea to get their address as well. You can always check a free people report to verify their real address and if you do get jacked you can tell the police their information when you file a report.
Taking this step will keep the game fun for everyone.

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Old 02-26-2006, 04:36 PM
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Re: Inviting people from the internet to your home game.

Here are a couple of recommendations about finding folks:

1. Don't just blindly post your game's availability unless you've had no luck with any other method. That's just asking for trouble.

2. Join a forum such Chiptalk (CT), Homepokertourney (HPT), 2+2, Scottkeens (SK), FlopTurnRiver (FTR), etc. Become an active member at those forums and you'll probably get to know people in your area to invite. I play at a monthly game hosted by someone I've met over the internet this way at SK's. My wife calls him my internet boyfriend.

3. If possible, talk with them ahead of time or meet them in person if so inclined.

4. Don't let them bring a friend(s) until they been to 1 or 2 of your games. Also, don't allow multiple "new" guys to show up at the same game.

As for your other comments regarding chip security and such, these all seem on track. The one thing I'd take exception with is your last paragraph which seems quite negative about folks. If you are running a large stakes, raked game this may be valid assumption. For a friendly low stakes game, this seems rather cynical. My nature is much more trusting by default but it may simply be that I haven't been burned yet. If I was invited to your game and was asked for all this information, I'd say screw it and leave.
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Old 02-26-2006, 04:43 PM
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Re: Inviting people from the internet to your home game.

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Re: Inviting people from the internet to your home game.

i've had no problems...

i've had ky70, qtsooted, and w16227 to my games, and knew them only from the boards.

i've also played at a game hosted by a guy (sorry, i don't remember your screenname, michael).

i've had exactly 0 difficulty in these situations.

sure, be careful...but i don't think you need to do much more than that.
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Re: Inviting people from the internet to your home game.

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"If you are running a large stakes, raked game this may be valid assumption. For a friendly low stakes game, this seems rather cynical. My nature is much more trusting by default but it may simply be that I haven't been burned yet."

Great observation...perhapes I am a bit cynical.

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Re: Inviting people from the internet to your home game.

I don't mean to be rude about it so please don't take it the wrong way. I'm a firm believer in that if you look for the worst in people you'll find it. Just go into things with an open mind but do take some basic precautions to avoid getting into a situation.

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Re: Inviting people from the internet to your home game.

I didn't take it the wrong way. I appreciate your candor; I actually didn't realize how cynical I was being. I'm glad you pointed that out.

"I trust people about as far as I can throw them. There's always someone looking for an easy buck. Be aware of what can happen. Don't let yourself get victimized."

That line is pretty harsh...perhaps I should edit that.
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Re: Inviting people from the internet to your home game.

I think there is a big difference in whether the person from internet is someone your have regular comminications or a total stranger. I would have no problem in having a regular ChipTalker such as w16.... or jojo, etc in my home game but don't think I would want someone that has only posted once or twice here. You do get to know how someone's personality from his postings.
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Re: Inviting people from the internet to your home game.

A month or so after stumbling across this site I happened upon a picture that Matthew posted on here. I realized I recognized the picture and also noticed Matthew came from the same town as me. Come to find out Matthew is involved with a regular weekly game as well as ArrowWood (also on this site). I had ben trying to find a local game, the people I normally play with were very bad players and didn't care for structured games and played like newbies. Suffice to say, I've been playing with these new guys almost weekly for the past 5-6 months. We live in a small town (about 4,500 ppl) and it's great to be able to drive 5 minutes to a game instead of having to drive 20 minutes into the city to catch a game. The guys were all about my age and in similar family situtations (all mid 30's with young kids). Being newer to my town it was cool to meet some people since my neighborhood the houses are not that close and it's filled with old folks.

I'd recommend inviting one new person at a time, give it a whirl and see how they interact. If they give you bad vibes, just don't invite them back or make up an excuse like you're having an argument with your dog...whatever works.
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Re: Inviting people from the internet to your home game.

I have been on the other side of things--SteveA from this site invited me to his home game even though we did not know each other other than from our posts--and so it is also a little different for the new players to come into the fold. However it worked out great as his games have some fun people and for the most part everyone is there to play, have fun, and improve their game.

So definitely try forums and stuff before going on an all-out public posting of your game.
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