[jdunford]

Please choose the best "358" Blue chip.

The top pick chosen here will face off against the top 3U and 4t18 spotted Blue chip in Blue Poll 2.

1. Horizon Blue w/ Dark Blue
2. Light Blue w/ Dark Blue
3. Horizon Blue w/ Sky Blue
4. Horizon Blue w/ Sky Blue (3-moon)

*EDIT*
Please be advised that the rest of the set currently looks like this:


Also, please be sure to vote in all the other Blue and Yellow polls going on right now:
http://www.chiptalk.net/forum/holdem...ps-com-offers/

[jdunford]

Anybody have any bright ideas regarding to the outcome of this poll (which is still undecided)?

Seems a lot of votes are being split between options 3 & 4 (which are very similar), while votes are NOT being split between options 1 & 2 (and hence 1 is currently winning overall, while the sum of 3 & 4 is currently much greater). Again, I don't want to have unnecessary rounds of voting as they take too much time. Any ideas on how to make this into a majority decision?

[jadillon]

If I were you I would not assume that a vote for option 4 is the same or nearly the same as a vote for option 3. Quite the contrary. A number of folks do NOT want a 358 blue at all and prefer a 358 orange as demonstrated by several previous polls. A 3 moon may be an acceptable substitute to a number of them, but a 358 may not be acceptable to them at all. Especially if you are then going to try to force changes to the orange chip.

Originally Posted by jdunford

Anybody have any bright ideas regarding to the outcome of this poll (which is still undecided)?

Seems a lot of votes are being split between options 3 & 4 (which are very similar), while votes are NOT being split between options 1 & 2 (and hence 1 is currently winning overall, while the sum of 3 & 4 is currently much greater). Again, I don't want to have unnecessary rounds of voting as they take too much time. Any ideas on how to make this into a majority decision?

[jdunford]

Originally Posted by jadillon

If I were you I would not assume that a vote for option 4 is the same or nearly the same as a vote for option 3. Quite the contrary. A number of folks do NOT want a 358 blue at all and prefer a 358 orange as demonstrated by several previous polls. A 3 moon may be an acceptable substitute to a number of them, but a 358 may not be acceptable to them at all. Especially if you are then going to try to force changes to the orange chip.

Trying again: Anybody got a bright idea on how to deal with the outcome of this poll? Now it looks like 3-way tie. Looks like there will inevitably be an extra round of voting (somewhere) for the blue chip. So far, I'm thinking that I'll just split these up for their 1-on-1 polls against the winners of the 3U + 4t18, and one of these will face off against the Dolphin Blue w/ Charcoal that got a "bye" in the first round.

This should be a very favorable move for "a number of folks [who] do NOT want a 358 blue at all", as they'll be able to vote against the 358 options directly. If these "folks" really were the reason that this poll is headed towards a 3-way tie, I would have preferred they just avoid the "358 Poll". The low vote count would have been more informative to me than the large number of votes for the 3-moon option... which tells me nothing, since the split in the "Sky Blue spot" vote could represent a combination of opinions.

On the other hand, it's pretty clear that NOBODY likes the Light Blue w/ Dark Blue option.

[beekeeper]

Maybe the question to ask in a poll is whether (1) people prefer either a 358 blue option or 358 orange option, or (2) people are ok with two 358 options.

Another possibility is to have folks vote for a blue & orange combo, such as (1) 358 blue with the 4D14 blaze orange w/ arc yellow and royal red options, or (2) the 358 orange option with the 3U blue option.

I guess that may open up a can of worms, but I don't know how else you can nail this down.

It would be helpful if the people who are dissatisfied with either the blue or orange options would provide additional info, such as (1) how likely are they to purchase a set with either or both colors, and (2) whether they can build a set around the other existing chip options, and (3) whether being dissatisfied with one of the chip options will cause them not to participate in holdempokerchip's offer.

I think some people may be remaining quiet because they feel that they can build a set out of existing options and they don't want to influence the direction on chips they don't plan on purchasing anyway.

[jdunford]

Originally Posted by beekeeper

Maybe the question to ask in a poll is whether (1) people prefer either a 358 blue option or 358 orange option, or (2) people are ok with two 358 options.

Another possibility is to have folks vote for a blue & orange combo, such as (1) 358 blue with the 4D14 blaze orange w/ arc yellow and royal red options, or (2) the 358 orange option with the 3U blue option.

I was originally thinking of doing something like this, but jadillon and others who already voted in the "358 vs. 1/4 pie" polls for orange and pink would feel like we've already explored that option and it got voted down.

It would be helpful if the people who are dissatisfied with either the blue or orange options would provide additional info, such as (1) how likely are they to purchase a set with either or both colors, and (2) whether they can build a set around the other existing chip options, and (3) whether being dissatisfied with one of the chip options will cause them not to participate in holdempokerchip's offer.

I think some people may be remaining quiet because they feel that they can build a set out of existing options and they don't want to influence the direction on chips they don't plan on purchasing anyway.

I think you're right. It's sort of an apathy thing.

Aside, and completely personal rant:
I've noticed that in almost every round of polls, and this one (all 6 polls) in particular, I've found that after the first 24 hours (and ~ 50% of the votes), the option I voted for is in the lead (and often by a large margin). But after the next 24 hours (and other 50%), another option comes from behind to take the lead. This trend has happened over and over, and I have a few theories (none of which might be correct). I've been wondering if perhaps the most active people in this project, who have contributed the most to the discussion threads and mock-ups / entries, are voting in the first 24 hours, and then we're getting a lot of the "quieter" people and/or "random CTers" (with relatively little interest) voting in the last 24 hours... and/or those who are active but want to see the results first to make a more "strategic" vote. I don't know. Maybe I'm just imagining it. But you might be surprised to find that I've almost never voted for a qualifier yet (right from the first Round #1 colour-palette polls). If this was my personal custom set, it wouldn't look anything like what we've got so far, but a lot of these choices have grown on me, and I think we'll still make a pretty nice 12-chip set from which any CTer could build a semi-custom set that they'd be more than satisfied with.

Oh, and Heather, congrats on 2k posts (slightly premature, but I figure you'll get there by the end of the day).

[beekeeper]

My biggest concern is that the end result is a set of chip options that everyone can build a set from. It seems like we at chiptalk have wanted and asked for and waited for this option from Michael, and now that we have it, we need to recognize that it has to be a money maker for him.

For me, the existing options have already given me enough choice to build a set from. I've been participating mostly because it's fun for me, but I do worry that by participating I may have undue influence on someone else's options. That said, without our input, you're kind of stymied.

I guess I would implore everyone to be forthcoming about their interest level, their relative satisfaction with the choices, and whether any dissatisfactions with certain chip options would result in their not buying a set at all.

My guess is that this is the kind of "one time" opportunity (similar to the infamous TRK group buy) that many people will take advantage of. If that is going to be the case, again I would implore folks not to be so shy about their preferences and their reasons.

[jdunford]

Originally Posted by beekeeper

Maybe the question to ask in a poll is whether (1) people prefer either a 358 blue option or 358 orange option, or (2) people are ok with two 358 options.

Another possibility is to have folks vote for a blue & orange combo, such as (1) 358 blue with the 4D14 blaze orange w/ arc yellow and royal red options, or (2) the 358 orange option with the 3U blue option.

The way the 2nd round of Blue voting is going, this may not be an issue...

Oh, and officially "congrats on 2k posts"!

[beekeeper]

Originally Posted by jdunford

The way the 2nd round of Blue voting is going, this may not be an issue...

Oh, and officially "congrats on 2k posts"!

Thanks--I didn't even know it was coming up.