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1. I'd say either/or not both.
2. Lavendar ditch Laker
3. Maybe. Almond makes more sense. It can be yellow, it can be white
4. Gotta happen
5. Should maybe be one or the other.
6. The Chocolate seems to be one of the most popular. I'd imagine it's going to be a fractional, 1K, 5K or other mysterious denom.

As I said before I'm primarily interested in a tournament set. I don't think most folks will be getting more than 5 colors, certainly most folks don't need more than 5 colors, so to me the important chips are (traditionally speaking):

Green (preferablly SG)
Black (maybe Charcoal)
Lavendar (mabye Pink)
Yellow/White/Pink (maybe Blue but not likely)
Chocolate
This is the sort of thing I want to hear from people.

One comment: Lavender and Hot Pink are surprisingly similar in person (moreso than the PokerChipFactory might suggest). That's part of the reason I though a Laker Purple (even though I'm not fan) might be needed in addition to Lavender after all... But perhaps not.

Is anybody wanting a cash set? If so, would you use the Almond as a white? If you're using a Blue for $1, then this might be moot anyway...
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I just edited my post a bit.

I haven't seen a live lavendar chip, but as I noted earlier Hot Pink is lighter than one might assume, not quite so red.
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Mmmm... there's something about that black chip (left)... Really like it!

I miss the pink quarter-pie... It looks really nice!

Does anybody NEED a white chip that isn't almond? It's eating up valuable real-estate in my mock-ups, because I don't know if there needs to be a white-white in addition to an almond... That pink quarter-pie would replace my white, and I might steal that black, ... and then change the red to something less pink...

Some people have made some good points about what "other" colours are actually needed. It seems a lot of people like the charcoal chip, but then there should also be a black. I don't think that's a problem. Some questions to think about (and respond to if you have a definite answer):
  • Do we need both a pink and an orange? If not, which one do we keep?
  • Do we really need the chocolate? It's a nice chip, but is anyone actually going to use it in their set?
  • Do we need both a white and an almond? The almond w/ coral + plum seems very popular... but does it work for everybody?
  • Should we have two purples? Namely, a Lavender and a Laker?
  • Which of these is more important? We can't have all of a (Black & Charcoal) + (Pink & Orange) + (Lavender & Laker Purple) + (White & Almond) + (Dark Green & Sherbet Green) + Red + Blue + Yellow + Chocolate... This might be the next poll (if I can figure out a way to put it into a multiple-choice question).
Might be something like, "Which is LEAST important to you?"
  • Having a Charcoal, in addition to Black.
  • Having a Lavender, in addition to Laker Purple.
  • Having an Almond, in addition to White.
  • Having a Sherbet Green, in addition to Dark Green.
  • Having both a Pink and an Orange (instead of just one).
  • Having a brown (Chocolate, Gold, Mustard) at all.
1-Charcoal, but could live with both...
2-Keep lavendar for sure. Don't see a need for lk. purple.
3-Go with almond. Never been too big on white.
4-Like MeridianFC...gotta happen (may the force be with us!)
5-Would rather have orange, but open on this one.
6-Like the tri-1/4 chocolate, but not too sure just how many would use it in their sets either...

May just go with a small cash set, something like 4 colors;
Sh. green
Charcoal
Lavendar
Orange

The possibilities are so endless and I really don't have too much more hair to lose on this LMAO
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Mmmm... there's something about that black chip (left)... Really like it!

I miss the pink quarter-pie... It looks really nice!

Does anybody NEED a white chip that isn't almond? It's eating up valuable real-estate in my mock-ups, because I don't know if there needs to be a white-white in addition to an almond... That pink quarter-pie would replace my white, and I might steal that black, ... and then change the red to something less pink...

Some people have made some good points about what "other" colours are actually needed. It seems a lot of people like the charcoal chip, but then there should also be a black. I don't think that's a problem. Some questions to think about (and respond to if you have a definite answer):
  • Do we need both a pink and an orange? If not, which one do we keep?
  • Do we really need the chocolate? It's a nice chip, but is anyone actually going to use it in their set?
  • Do we need both a white and an almond? The almond w/ coral + plum seems very popular... but does it work for everybody?
  • Should we have two purples? Namely, a Lavender and a Laker?
  • Which of these is more important? We can't have all of a (Black & Charcoal) + (Pink & Orange) + (Lavender & Laker Purple) + (White & Almond) + (Dark Green & Sherbet Green) + Red + Blue + Yellow + Chocolate... This might be the next poll (if I can figure out a way to put it into a multiple-choice question).
Might be something like, "Which is LEAST important to you?"
  • Having a Charcoal, in addition to Black.
  • Having a Lavender, in addition to Laker Purple.
  • Having an Almond, in addition to White.
  • Having a Sherbet Green, in addition to Dark Green.
  • Having both a Pink and an Orange (instead of just one).
  • Having a brown (Chocolate, Gold, Mustard) at all.
White with blue spots was well ahead of almond in the polls. Because of this chip, imnsho:



The difficulty is, with a lot of these choices, there's a big split in the community - eg: Dark Green vs. Sherbert base, Laker vs. Lavender. I like the idea of your poll above. I think it would clarify where people stand.

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Old 02-11-2008, 10:23 AM
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Re: TMSC Round #2 - Discussion thread

Left to right: Purple - Lavender - Hot Pink:


(taken under natural light a few minutes ago; first sunny day in Toronto in a while)

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In JDunford's current mock up, Change the Black chip to Black 6A14 Hot Pink/Blood Red, switcht the spot pattern on the Blue and Sherbert Green chip and I'm sold.

Shebert Green 3 Moon Verde
Black 6A14 Hot Pink/Blood Red
Lavendar 4D18 Laker Purple/Light Pink
Canary Yellow 4U Black/Canary Yellow (fill issue still in play here btw)
- maybe Blue 358
- maybe Almond 4T18 Plum/Coral
Chocolate 1/4 Pie Gold/Mustard

I'd buy that.

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Sold?



I don't think the "fill" would be an issue for a 3U, since there's not direct contact between the base and the spot... might look cool if it was a slightly different yellow.

(actually, BCC might have an issue with a "black on canary yellow" chip. I know they won't do a "canary yellow on black" chip -- they call it a "bumble-bee" and refuse to make it for some sort of copyright-like infringment; not sure if it applies to the yellow base or not)
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Sold?
A few whiny notes...
1. We probably don't need both green chips to be a mix of greens. One could be a mix, the other could be one of the other front-runners.
2. Similarly, having both the charcoal and black chips be a mix of red/pink shades cuts down our options. If we went for both then one should be have greens/purples/greys or whatever. It seems unlikely anyone would have both in a set.
3. Vote 1 White > Almond. Just my preference so take it with a grain of salt.
4. As for 3, just my opinion, but I'm anti-bumblebee. I'm a bit disappointed to see the new canary yellow doesn't "pop" like the old one did but there's nothing we can do about that. If I went for a tourney set I'd be tempted to go for a completely different 1000 but I'm not sure what.

Here's a couple of different cash set progressions to go with the "standard" tourney set progression:



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A few whiny notes...
1. We probably don't need both green chips to be a mix of greens. One could be a mix, the other could be one of the other front-runners.
2. Similarly, having both the charcoal and black chips be a mix of red/pink shades cuts down our options. If we went for both then one should be have greens/purples/greys or whatever. It seems unlikely anyone would have both in a set.
3. Vote 1 White > Almond. Just my preference so take it with a grain of salt.
4. As for 3, just my opinion, but I'm anti-bumblebee. I'm a bit disappointed to see the new canary yellow doesn't "pop" like the old one did but there's nothing we can do about that. If I went for a tourney set I'd be tempted to go for a completely different 1000 but I'm not sure what.

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1. There is some truthiness to this statement
2. As is there here too also
3. An interesting scenario for some might be White as 1K
4. See above.
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3. An interesting scenario for some might be White as 1K
Like this one? (stealing from jdunford):



which, unlike my previous suggestion, would work as both a $1 and a high-denom tourney chip.

Actually, as fairly "standard" progressions go, I don't mind this at all:



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A few whiny notes...
1. We probably don't need both green chips to be a mix of greens. One could be a mix, the other could be one of the other front-runners.
2. Similarly, having both the charcoal and black chips be a mix of red/pink shades cuts down our options. If we went for both then one should be have greens/purples/greys or whatever. It seems unlikely anyone would have both in a set.
3. Vote 1 White > Almond. Just my preference so take it with a grain of salt.
4. As for 3, just my opinion, but I'm anti-bumblebee. I'm a bit disappointed to see the new canary yellow doesn't "pop" like the old one did but there's nothing we can do about that. If I went for a tourney set I'd be tempted to go for a completely different 1000 but I'm not sure what.
Those are some very good points. I was thinking something similar to 1 and 2 myself.

Here's something slightly different, tweaking my last mock-up a little bit:



The problem is I lose my pink quarter-pie.

An idea: Would anyone be complete opposed to
white with plum and coral?
It's a slight violation of the Round #1 results, but it would keep those spot colours together for a chip as above, but using white as the base... would only need 1 white chip, and wouldn't have to worry about "fill" issues (their white is generally very reproducible; have seen this in the Mardi Gras $25,000 where it works very well).

*EDIT* If you'll buy that, consider the Cali-coloured cash set you could make out of these:



(top row = frac - $1 - $5 - $20 - $100; bottom row = optional 2nd frac - $2 - $10 - $25 - $500)
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