[toad94]

Your tone in the "I think it wise" paragraph is pretty blatant, don't you think? It calls my appreciation of JimB and ASM into question. And you missed my point. I don't care about Light Blue whatsoever.

I care about JimB and the people who voted for DG Blue. If JimB agreed to make a batch of DG Blue only because there was enough interest to sell 1000 chips, and then I back out of my commitment for 300/400 because the color now being offered is not what I agreed to, then JimB would be stuck with a bunch of leftover clay OR he won't make the batch at all. Now the people who voted for DG Blue and made their plans based on the fact that the 1000 chip requirement was met are hosed. I'm riled up because I don't want to purposefully hose anybody and my word/integrity is at stake.

I still don't see why asking for more information is unreasonable. And since the special is good for all of July, why is the poll only five days long? You wrote: "Maybe PCOL will get us a good shot of such a chip in the nextweek or so." Right, maybe the poll can outlast getting a sample pic so more people can make an informed decision?

You describe the weighted color getting "bluer." You also wrote the brass makes DG Blue look more like Light Blue. So you're admitting the weighted color will be different from the picture of DG Blue I have, yet you imply I'm being ungrateful and/or haggling because I'm asking how much color change to expect??

[imthatguy]

Considering this colour hasn't been offered in ages, and nobody (including Jim) is 100% sure what it's going to look like, we're all making commitments based on speculation. If you're not happy with that, then so be it. Nobody's going to hold it against you if you change your mind. Jim's making the DG Blue weighted, I'm certainly not going to ask him to do it differently just because it wasn't what I originally expected. He's doing everyone here a favour, let's not forget that.

[StevenH72]

Originally Posted by imthatguy

Considering this colour hasn't been offered in ages, and nobody (including Jim) is 100% sure what it's going to look like, we're all making commitments based on speculation. If you're not happy with that, then so be it. Nobody's going to hold it against you if you change your mind. Jim's making the DG Blue weighted, I'm certainly not going to ask him to do it differently just because it wasn't what I originally expected. He's doing everyone here a favour, let's not forget that.

This is what I'm thinking, we are effectively getting 15% off of "uber" limited edition chips, I dont mind what tone of DG blue they are, I will make them fit into my set, lol.

[JM]

You're not likely going to see a sample chip before the order either since they need the commitment in order to have the color made! So if you want a light blue colored weighted chip, then commit, if you don't then don't! Its pretty simple.

Its a color that has never been offered to the general public before as far as we know, and its going to be different from any on their palette that's available currently. May not be offered again too. Isn't that enough?

[toad94]

Originally Posted by JM

You're not likely going to see a sample chip before the order either since they need the commitment in order to have the color made! So if you want a light blue colored weighted chip, then commit, if you don't then don't! Its pretty simple.

Its a color that has never been offered to the general public before as far as we know, and its going to be different from any on their palette that's available currently. May not be offered again too. Isn't that enough?

If that offer were separate from the last few threads' discussion, yes. I would go in blind on a new color without further information.

But that's not what we're talking about, so your question doesn't apply.

If EmptyPocs relates to us that weighted DG Blue is "bluer" or more like light blue than non-weighted DG Blue, then that info probably came from JimB, thus JimB has seen the color made prior to this offer. If DG Blue with brass has been made, ever, then it is not unreasonable to merely ASK if such a sample exists for review. Why is that difficult?

My point still stands: for two months different threads have discussed the possiblity of DG Blue. JimB said DG Blue could be available with interest in 1000 chips. This latest round of interest focused on DG Blue and the fact that 1000 chips was attainable. THEN, the DG Blue specs change and the color probably changed with it. Now I'm getting flack for asking why??

And just because the new plan isn't what I originally expected doesn't mean I can't greet new information appropriately and I, too, certainly wouldn't meet Jim with petulant remarks about the color that used to be. But why can't I ask my questions here without some type of flippant response? The like it or lump it attitude of the last few posts is unnecessary.

I'm running out of analogies, but let's try this: for two months you ask your mom for a dog. She says if you build a doghouse, she'll consider getting you a dog. You build a doghouse, and she brings home a cat. You then ask "What happened to the dog?" Her response is: "All they had was a cat." But then your brother starts up: "You should be grateful you got a cat! Mom did you a favor! Either keep the cat or don't--it's simple! If you don't like cats, so be it!" Hey, whoah, why can't I ask what happened to the dog without the 'tude? Yes, I like cats, but for two months we were talking about a dog. Understand?

[StevenH72]

Originally Posted by toad94

I'm running out of analogies, but let's try this: for two months you ask your mom for a dog. She says if you build a doghouse, she'll consider getting you a dog. You build a doghouse, and she brings home a cat. You then ask "What happened to the dog?" Her response is: "All they had was a cat." But then your brother starts up: "You should be grateful you got a cat! Mom did you a favor! Either keep the cat or don't--it's simple! If you don't like cats, so be it!" Hey, whoah, why can't I ask what happened to the dog without the 'tude? Yes, I like cats, but for two months we were talking about a dog. Understand?

Not the same at all.........I'm not getting involved, if you want to ask questions fine, but this analogy is not the same at the situation, neither cats nor dogs are available for a limited time only, if there is enough demand

[imthatguy]

Originally Posted by toad94

If that offer were separate from the last few threads' discussion, yes. I would go in blind on a new color without further information.

But that's not what we're talking about, so your question doesn't apply.

If EmptyPocs relates to us that weighted DG Blue is "bluer" or more like light blue than non-weighted DG Blue, then that info probably came from JimB, thus JimB has seen the color made prior to this offer. If DG Blue with brass has been made, ever, then it is not unreasonable to merely ASK if such a sample exists for review. Why is that difficult?

My point still stands: for two months different threads have discussed the possiblity of DG Blue. JimB said DG Blue could be available with interest in 1000 chips. This latest round of interest focused on DG Blue and the fact that 1000 chips was attainable. THEN, the DG Blue specs change and the color probably changed with it. Now I'm getting flack for asking why??

And just because the new plan isn't what I originally expected doesn't mean I can't greet new information appropriately and I, too, certainly wouldn't meet Jim with petulant remarks about the color that used to be. But why can't I ask my questions here without some type of flippant response? The like it or lump it attitude of the last few posts is unnecessary.

I'm running out of analogies, but let's try this: for two months you ask your mom for a dog. She says if you build a doghouse, she'll consider getting you a dog. You build a doghouse, and she brings home a cat. You then ask "What happened to the dog?" Her response is: "All they had was a cat." But then your brother starts up: "You should be grateful you got a cat! Mom did you a favor! Either keep the cat or don't--it's simple! If you don't like cats, so be it!" Hey, whoah, why can't I ask what happened to the dog without the 'tude? Yes, I like cats, but for two months we were talking about a dog. Understand?

Fine, so what you're asking is: Why is the chip going to be weighted and possibly slightly effect the colour of the chip?

Answer: Because Jim said so.

He's speaking from experience when he says the colour will change when you weight it. It doesn't mean he's got chips sitting around already to be pressed, it means that he knows there will be a shift when brass is added. Also, I don't remember Jim promising anybody anything, other than if there was enough interest in DG blue, that he would consider making it. So that fact that he's going ahead with it is news enough for me.

[EmptyPocs]

I was unaware there there was any in depth discussion about lt-blue other than a few speculative 3rd hand posts here and there.

I actually thought this was the 1st thread to seriously see if there was interest (IF PCOL was willing and needed a show of hands).

I didnt assume what we wanted would be done for either 1000 or 10,000 chips
(nor did I know that it was implied elsewhere that it would be as you have indicated).
Perhaps that why I was more accepting to the outcome.
I didnt mean to brush off your concerns and disappointment.
Perhaps my politics need polishing.

The new 5 day poll is only intended to help PCOL determine the qty coming for July before July was upon us, and was not extended thru July because if you are placing a July order and vote during July its not much help to PCOL's production scheduling.

As for the sample, give the man a chance. No one said we were not getting one.

I'd like to move on with this.

[toad94]

There wasn't hard-core discussion about DG Blue or Light Blue. More wishful thinking than anything else. And no, there wasn't a confirmed offer from JimB about a color. One post did say "JimB said DG Blue is possible with 1000 chips" or something like that. That's why I was glad to see the interest in a special color revived.
http://www.chiptalk.net/forum/custom-chips-general/47643-asm-3-different-blues.html
http://www.chiptalk.net/forum/auction-links/49907-light-blue-asm.html

So when the dream seems on the verge of coming true, and then a wrench is thrown into the works, it's disappointing at first and I got slammed for asking why. If true DG Blue is still just a dream and may never be available, that's okay with me. If weighted, something-close-to-DG-Blue-but-who-knows, unique, one-time, etc. color is being offered by JimB, then that's cool. I really do sincerely appreciate that offer and I'm sure it will look great.

i'mthatguy: "Because Jim said so." Man, if you weren't in Canada and I didn't need a passport... By the way, did the Scandia chip arrive yet? I hadn't heard.

[imthatguy]

Originally Posted by toad94

i'mthatguy: "Because Jim said so." Man, if you weren't in Canada and I didn't need a passport... By the way, did the Scandia chip arrive yet? I hadn't heard.

Jim's word is gospel. That is all.