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Old 09-02-2007, 12:49 AM
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Re: Casino Royale Hotel Splendide Plaque Pr0n!

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Well, having waited all day, getting the word that they had been delivered, and finally getting home tonight, I was able at last to crack open the much anticipated plaques.

Fresh out of the box from Josh (Thanks again for the speedy packing and delivery!!):



Here's the two I took tonight with me to make my Scouts jealous :



Once I got home, I was able to start playing around:

"$40 million 500 thousand, all in."



First impressions:

These plaques are Fantastic!! I've never handled a Matsui before, but I am pleased with their finish, styling, and weight. The pearlized finish gives them amazing depth, and the colours are great. For some reason I thought the gold lettering would be printed on the face of the plaque, and was therefore worried about some eventually scratching off. However, such is not the case-- it's all encased below a protective (and very glossy!) clear coat on the surface of the plaque.

And I absolutely love the size!

Speaking of which, I thought I'd snap a couple of photos for relative size comparison:




The Sahara $50 plaque measures approximately 95 x 66 mm, or about the size of most of the Matsui plaques that you've seen before. I guess it is up to personal preference if bigger really is better, but luckily I have been doing my push-ups, and so have the fortitude to haul them to the table. And I don't suppose I'll accidentally misplace any underneath a deck of cards.

Anyway, what can I say? I suddenly wish I had ordered more! My thanks go out again to Bernd for his amazing artwork, Damien for the idea and getting (and keeping) the ball rolling, and of course Josh for managing all of the logistics from order to delivery. And of course, without all of the other purchasers, this could have never come to fruition. You all are the best!

And to whoever suggested to the group to go with the larger plaque sizes to make them accurate to the movie, kudos to you as well.

Ahh... Group Hug!

Signing off for now; I think I'll sleep well tonight, with a plaque under my pillow...

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I see you have a Sahara plaque there as well (made by my FAVORITE company in the casino business ). How would you compare the quality, feel, etc of the MATSUI plaque to a B+G, even one made decades ago like the Saharas were ? Even though I am pretty well obsessed with B+G plaques you won't hurt my feelings if you say the Matsuis are better ......
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Re: Casino Royale Hotel Splendide Plaque Pr0n!

It took all my will power to resist buying a bunch of these plaques as well -- I LOVE super high/deep stack poker games. Now I'm bummed I didn't order any. Oh well, if you ever decide to part with any of them.......
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I see you have a Sahara plaque there as well (made by my FAVORITE company in the casino business ). How would you compare the quality, feel, etc of the MATSUI plaque to a B+G, even one made decades ago like the Saharas were ? Even though I am pretty well obsessed with B+G plaques you won't hurt my feelings if you say the Matsuis are better ......
thanks !
From having handled both, I would say the overall feel and weight of the Matsuis and the B&Gs are roughly equivalent. However, for the product in general (not specific to these plaques necessarily), I would still give the ultimate nod to the B&G plaques, even though the Matsuis are fantastic. I would say this for a number of reasons:

Colours: it seems the Matsui colour pallette is more limited than B&G, although that is just an impression.

Available finishes: Matsui basically has 2-- plain, and 3 different marble-type finishes. B&G has more options: kind of a fish-scale finish (the lower denomination Saharas have this), a llame' (have no idea how to spell this, but the richer, more sparkled finish of the Sahara $1,000 plaque), the traditional marbled finish (like the Matsuis), and kind of a gold 'fish-net' finish on top of a marbled finish. The wider variety of possible finishes gives the nod to B&G.

Plaque composition: B&G has the see-through lunettes, as well as being able to have different available plaque finishes used on the same plaque. I know that Matsui plaques can use different colours, and can go from solid to marbled finish, but I'm not sure whether they can incorporate different types of marbled finish on the same plaque-- or that the end result would be that remarkable if they could. The available finish options on the B&G are different enough that you would really notice it if they were used on the same plaque (not saying you'd want to, just that it gives you more options).

Style of the plaque itself: just personal preference here, but B&G plaques have the characteristic raised portions on the edges of the plaques, whereas the Matsuis are flat-- I tend to prefer the B&g slightly here.

As you can see, if given the choice I would probably choose the B&Gs in each of the categories noted above. However, two notable factors remain:

First of all, I'm not given a choice-- Matsui is the only company who will produce for the home market-- B&G for whatever reason won't deal with us, or anyone else except a licensed casino entity (or a Hollywood production company). As such, B&G have removed themselves from our market. Definite Kudos to Matsui for even making these plaques a reality to collectors such as ourselves.

Also, I have heard all sorts of horror stories about B&G plaques degrading over time, and I don't think the Matsuis would be subject to the same sorts of problems (although that is conjecture on my part). After all, with B&G plaques with lunettes (which is their distinguishing feature), you are fusing different types of plastic which may not like each other over the long haul. I've heard stories (and seen pictures) about lunettes separating from plaques over time, and the owner being left with nothing more than literally a puddle of plastic in return for his (or her) investment. Apparently once the degradation has begun, there is little you can do to stop it. I'm not sure if B&G has improved on this weakness (noticed on B&G plaques that are 30+ years old, generally), only that there wouln't necessarily be any incentive for them to do so. A casino supplies company (and a casino, for that matter) typically wouldn't care if a plaque lasted 30-50+ years or not-- they are not in the business of producing collectibles.

In fact, I was once told by a plaque collecting expert that they only way to prolong the life and forestall the inevitilbe degradation of a B&G plaque was to vacuum seal it in plastic against a pane of glass, and never expose it to any sort of light-- not a very attractive display option, IMHO. (And for me at least, if I can't display them, why have them?). Anyway, I'm not sure if the Matsuis are any different in this regard, but at least you don't have to worry about different types of plastic (i.e., lunettes vs. the rest of the plaque) not getting along over time, since the Matsui plaques are all made with the same type of plastic.

Anyway, I have to say that even though if I were a casino I would probably order from B&G for aesthetic reasons of the available options (although I have no idea of relative pricing of the two companies), I absolutely LOVE these plaques that we ordered in this group buy. They are, and probably will remain, the proudest part of my collection (at least that part that I actually use, rather than just display). Matsuis are a first-rate product, and I think they did a great job with these plaques. I have ceramic plaques as well, and IMHO there is no comparison-- the Matsuis blow them out of the water.

My only regret with the whole process is that I didn't order a few more.

Hope this helped,

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It took all my will power to resist buying a bunch of these plaques as well -- I LOVE super high/deep stack poker games. Now I'm bummed I didn't order any. Oh well, if you ever decide to part with any of them.......
Actually, I'm kind of hoping that some of the original buyers will tire of them eventually and want to liquidate them to finance their participation in some as yet undetermined group buy (not that such a thing has ever happened to anyone at Chiptalk before ), and I can eventually snatch up some more.

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Hi all!
I am new here.
These plaques are really stunning and I like to purchase some of these.
I was wondering if anybody can provide me some information for an upcoming group buy - I think I have read that it may be in November.
Thank you, Kan
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Hi all!
I am new here.
These plaques are really stunning and I like to purchase some of these.
I was wondering if anybody can provide me some information for an upcoming group buy - I think I have read that it may be in November.
Thank you, Kan
Welcome to CT.

To my knowledge, Matsui has discontinued any further production of Casino Royale-esque plaques. There were some copyright issues that the movie production company thought were too liberal and Matsui stopped production to prevent any issues. Now the only way is to try and get them through someone else. Good luck, it could be tough.

Dan's 2 cents (Correct me if I am wrong, I have been there before)
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Thank you Dan.
I didn't know of the banned - these plaques are not like those "Casino Royal" plaques which I thought may be banned - but not these Hotel Splendide plaques which is so so far from the original plaques by B+G.
I hope there is another group buy, if not anybody like to sell?

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Thank you Dan.
I didn't know of the banned - these plaques are not like those "Casino Royal" plaques which I thought may be banned - but not these Hotel Splendide plaques which is so so far from the original plaques by B+G.
I hope there is another group buy, if not anybody like to sell?

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AFIK both the Hotel Splendide and Casino Royal plaques were created by Matsui (not B&G). I haven't analyzed the two plaques completely but to my knowledge they are exactly the same, only with the Hotel name on the plaque instead of the casino name. Hotel Splendide is as much a part of the Casino Royale movie as the casino name is. Dig around here and you should find all the original group buy threads, they were all created (at least in part) by CT members. I think if one came up here I would be in on it too

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