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He should know since he designed the chips. It makes perfect sense...it's the same reason solid billiard balls are nicknamed: small ones and, striped billiard balls are nicknamed: big ones.
I thought it was because the solids were the smaller numbers, and the stripes were larger numbers.

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Alignment of the printing on the chip face would matter very much. If the chip is slightly off center - let's say the printing is off towards the right, then the width of the stripe on the right side of the chip face would be more narrow than the stripe on the left side. As you get further from the hub on a bicycle wheel the distance between spokes is further apart. Same thing applies here. The stripe pattern on the face is a radial design, so the longer the stripe the wider it will be. Without perfectly centering the print of the chip face on the chip, there will always be some difference in stripe width at the edge of the chip face. Does this make sense to anyone else?
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The hardest part about aligning edge spots, IMHO, would be making both the obverse and the reverse line up, then trying to match up the rolling edge...
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Here is a graphic example of what I'm talking about above.

One on the left is centered - so stripes are the same width at the chip edge.
One on the right is off center - so some stripes are wider and other are more narrow.

Even a slight off-center printing will be noticable when trying to align the edge stripes.
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The hardest part about aligning edge spots, IMHO, would be making both the obverse and the reverse line up, then trying to match up the rolling edge...
That too.........
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Here is a graphic example of what I'm talking about above.

One on the left is centered - so stripes are the same width at the chip edge.
One on the right is off center - so some stripes are wider and other are more narrow.

Even a slight off-center printing will be noticable when trying to align the edge stripes.
THIS is why I talked about the difficulty of aligning the edges "perfectly" and on both sides. + rep for posting this illustration Brakedust. A picture IS worth 1000 chips.

I'll tell ya'll right now that mathematically the 'stripes' on the faces lower denomed chips are exactly the same width. This comes from using a real Bud Jones chip as a template. The illusion (and I never ridiculed anyone, just stated the facts) occurs because different colors are perceived as different sizes. Did you ever notice how women who are "bottom heavy" tend to wear darker pants/skirts and lighter tops? Lighter colors appear to be "larger" and darker colors "smaller" when positioned next to each other.

What Palm and SunFly are dealing with is the alignment of 3 variables. The face, the back and the rolling edge. WHEN THEY TRIED (aka the first prototype set) I must admit they are not PERFECT but they are darn close. Little "offs" here and there, but not exact like an injected chip would be, but still looked great for a ceramic chip built in 3 parts.

Joe even stated that if you are looking for "perfectly aligned edges" then you are not going to find it in this chipset. This is the main reason why NO OTHER CERAMIC CHIP MAKER will even attempt to do this.
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...but you can't get custom Bud Jones for .275 each...
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...but you can't get custom Bud Jones for .275 each...
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Joe even stated that if you are looking for "perfectly aligned edges" then you are not going to find it in this chipset. This is the main reason why NO OTHER CERAMIC CHIP MAKER will even attempt to do this.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but, doesn't GPI SAS (former Bourgogne et Grasset) produce ceramics with "perfectly aligned edges"?
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I talked with Joe about this today. The image is printed on a special media and then place BY HAND on the blank. It is then pressed by machine onto/into the blank. The same process is repeated on the other side. The edge is done last and, again, placed BY HAND. Getting all three variables perfect is extremely difficult and time consuming.

Since there is no guarantee that even the aligned chips will be perfect, I ordered my 4000 unaligned (and textured for her pleasure and for longevity). Just doesn't make since to me to pay the extra bucks to get "almost".
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