[DaiTauHa]

You bring up some interesting points Wedge.

[Mok]

Originally Posted by Wedge Rock

I don't want to be the pessimist, but this is what I think it means for me:

• The waste ratio is 2:1 when trying to line up edge stripes.
• Prior to lining up edge stripes, I had a 33% chance of getting lined up edge stripes.
• Now (I assume), the non-lined up orders will be filled with rejects from the lined-up production.
• Now I have a 0% chance of getting lined up edge spots.

Pessimist! (hehe, half-full /half-empty how about over-flowing? Does the Optomist Club order 10-million because they know they'll all sell?)

I had the same thoughts (along with a couple others related to this), but didn't want to be the one to say it. This is less distressing though than the whole lined-up buy AFTER this buy, so I'm OK with it.

The only thing I don't like, I won't have any that line up to cherry-pick for my display samples....

Joe really is trying to make everyone happy, but at some point the point of making everyone happy is going to create diminishing returns, I'd think.

I'll be a non-lined-rough-rider, no problems.... Oh, hopefully I can make it to the bank tomorrow with my "tech fund" and cash that in, then work on my chip-numbers all weekend to order by the first of the week... Yippee!

[teph]

Upon your first post stating that lined up edgespots were available, I was stupid and thought the price remained the same. With the difference in price (although it is still cheap), I am opting to remain with my unaligned chips. I need quite a few and I am already uncomfortable in how much I am spending here.

Anyways, I have to admit, Wedge brings up a good point. I would be kind of upset if the people that chose the unaligned chips got the "rejects" so to speak. When the first pictures came up, it was known that not all of the edges were going to line up, and that is fine. It was also known that some of the edgespots WOULD line up by random chance. Having at least a few lined up was kind of enlightening for me.

It is not a huge deal or anything, but again, it would bum me out if the unaligned chips were like inspected prior to shipping so that the superior chips were held on for the aligned orders.

Just my .02.

[Nugzy]

Originally Posted by OnTheButton

Here is a picture (neutral light again) of them in stacks.

How good will these look with edges lined up if the face and edge spots arent the same size? (see the 100 chip)

[teph]

Originally Posted by Nugzy

How good will these look with edges lined up if the face and edge spots arent the same size? (see the 100 chip)

lol, good point.

[OnTheButton]

Look here folks, lets get one thing perfectly clear.

When this artwork was created the focus on "perfect edge spot alignment" was never even a pipe dream. So therefore the edge spot files that were made were close but not perfect do the 1/64 th of an inch.

SunFly sends some samples with aligned spots, Joe says maybe in the future, and then a bunch of people had to whine and threaten that they now MUST have lined up edgespots, no matter what the cost or they would pull their orders.

Joe convinced SunFly to find a way, and they did.

Now I'm no math major, and making sure that these edge spots are EXACTLY the right size is going to tough to do.

I've asked Joe if he wants me to play with the files a little bit, or if SunFly can handle this part of the file changes. They afterall are the ones that offered to align the edgespots in the first place.

They are going to be close, but never perfect.

You know why? Mostly because unless the chip face is PERFECTLY CENTERED the stripe graphics will be different sizes as they leave the edges of the chip face, and the graphics around the edges will always be the same width.

There is nothing that can be done about this.

Please re-read Joes post about the limitations of offering aligned rolling edges and why NO OTHER CERAMIC CHIP MAKER offers them.

[Hopin2Steal]

Originally Posted by teph

Upon your first post stating that lined up edgespots were available, I was stupid and thought the price remained the same. With the difference in price (although it is still cheap), I am opting to remain with my unaligned chips. I need quite a few and I am already uncomfortable in how much I am spending here.

Anyways, I have to admit, Wedge brings up a good point. I would be kind of upset if the people that chose the unaligned chips got the "rejects" so to speak. When the first pictures came up, it was known that not all of the edges were going to line up, and that is fine. It was also known that some of the edgespots WOULD line up by random chance. Having at least a few lined up was kind of enlightening for me.

It is not a huge deal or anything, but again, it would bum me out if the unaligned chips were like inspected prior to shipping so that the superior chips were held on for the aligned orders.

Just my .02.

You and Wedge are worrying too much.

There will not be a huge number of orders for alligned chips. Even at a 1 alligned chip for every 4 chips not alligned ratio, the 'reject' chips will not satisfy the number for the GB. Therefore, further chips will be printed and people will *still* get the 'accidently' perfectly alligned chips. It may be the case that you won't get as many, but you'll still get some.

At least, this is what I believe will happen based on my understanding of how the priniting process works.

[teph]

Originally Posted by OnTheButton

Look here folks, lets get one thing perfectly clear.

When this artwork was created the focus on "perfect edge spot alignment" was never even a pipe dream. So therefore the edge spot files that were made were close but not perfect do the 1/64 th of an inch.

SunFly sends some samples with aligned spots, Joe says maybe in the future, and then a bunch of people had to whine and threaten that they now MUST have lined up edgespots, no matter what the cost or they would pull their orders.

Joe convinced SunFly to find a way, and they did.

Now I'm no math major, and making sure that these edge spots are EXACTLY the right size is going to tough to do.

I've asked Joe if he wants me to play with the files a little bit, or if SunFly can handle this part of the file changes. They afterall are the ones that offered to align the edgespots in the first place.

They are going to be close, but never perfect.

You know why? Mostly because unless the chip face is PERFECTLY CENTERED the stripe graphics will be different sizes as they leave the edges of the chip face, and the graphics around the edges will always be the same width.

There is nothing that can be done about this.

Please re-read Joes post about the limitations of offering aligned rolling edges and why NO OTHER CERAMIC CHIP MAKER offers them.

No offense to anybody here, but I think that discussion of aligned edgespots was very counterproductive. This is probably going to add a whole lot of frustration to Joe and OTB (If he has to perfectly fix the files to be EXACT). If the chips do not come out 100% perfect, it is pretty much a guarentee that the members that spent the extra money guarenteeing that their chips would be aligned will be pretty upset. I am by no means a chip expert, but I have read on about 100 pages of CT that ceramic aligning is a nightmare, hence why NO company offers it.

I recommend that the buy goes back to the origin; non-aligned chips. It would be a real nightmare for everyone to be unsatisfied with their order after all of the praise this buy has gotten. I do not know how many new buyers would come from the arise of this option, but in correspondance to the amount of chips sold, I am guessing that there won't be an extra 50,000 sold (To put this buy well over the 100k goal).

If everybody disagrees with me, so be it. I am just thinking that this is not only the most economical option, but it will be easiest on the leader(s) of this GB. They are putting in a lot of hard work and now allowing SO many options that it is bound to end in a train wreck.

[Hopin2Steal]

Originally Posted by OnTheButton

They are going to be close, but never perfect.

You know why? Mostly because unless the chip face is PERFECTLY CENTERED the stripe graphics will be different sizes as they leave the edges of the chip face, and the graphics around the edges will always be the same width.

There is nothing that can be done about this.

Please re-read Joes post about the limitations of offering aligned rolling edges and why NO OTHER CERAMIC CHIP MAKER offers them.

Well, let's redesign the chips where allignment will be a problem and get it right so that alligned edges will work. I don't understand why Sunfly can't perfectly center the face of the chip with consistantcy. I'd rather have the GB set back another month and get it right.







KIDDING. Put down your torches and pitchforks, please. Especially you, Button Potato. No delays being advocated here; no sir,no way no how.

[Hopin2Steal]

Originally Posted by teph

No offense to anybody here, but I think that discussion of aligned edgespots was very counterproductive. This is probably going to add a whole lot of frustration to Joe and OTB (If he has to perfectly fix the files to be EXACT). If the chips do not come out 100% perfect, it is pretty much a guarentee that the members that spent the extra money guarenteeing that their chips would be aligned will be pretty upset. I am by no means a chip expert, but I have read on about 100 pages of CT that ceramic aligning is a nightmare, hence why NO company offers it.

I recommend that the buy goes back to the origin; non-aligned chips. It would be a real nightmare for everyone to be unsatisfied with their order after all of the praise this buy has gotten. I do not know how many new buyers would come from the arise of this option, but in correspondance to the amount of chips sold, I am guessing that there won't be an extra 50,000 sold (To put this buy well over the 100k goal).

If everybody disagrees with me, so be it. I am just thinking that this is not only the most economical option, but it will be easiest on the leader(s) of this GB. They are putting in a lot of hard work and now allowing SO many options that it is bound to end in a train wreck.

Well, if alligned edges are goingto be offered, then it makes sense to print them first. The presumption is that people who don't pay the premium don't mind misalligned edges anyway. I mean, if perfect allignment is purchased after the fact, how much extra product in terms of non-alligned edges will Joe need to purchase? Or simply become waste (and that's just silly)? Joe has already put a caveat on allignment by implying returns will not be accepted if the allignment is only off by 1 mm. (He didn't say that word for word but that's what I got out of it). In other words, people who pay more will need to deal with non-perfection on some chips.