[Garyon]

There has been some interest in the "Poker Player Lair" chips (original thread)so I thought I would try to formalize a Group Buy offer here in this forum. I have never tried to organize anything like this so please feel free to offer any suggestions about how things might be better done. I have tried to do some research and it seems that everyone is a little different.

My ultimate goal is to get everyone what they want, but also to share the costs as easily and FAIRLY as possible. To that end I have been looking at the following pricing structures and am interested in your feedback.







Pricing
I have sent a request to BCC for information regarding the availability of volume discounts. I will update the numbers in this post if there is anything offered. Currently the BCC pricing is as follows...

$150 per design (4 designs = $600)
.90c per chip

UPDATED: Found out that discounts begin at orders of 20K chips. Not sure what the discount is but will look more into it if we get close ... If we can get 5000 people to get sample sets the pricing will be as follows ...

$150 per design (4 designs = 600)
.80c per chip

Ultimately I would like to somehow distribute the artwork fees but of course "How", will depend on how many folks participate & number of chips ultimately ordered.
I was considering 2 structures.

FLAT FEE
Each particpant would be responsible for a flat fee which would go towards the artwork fees plus the cost of their chips and shipping. The fee would be different for those who were purchasing sample sets versus anyone who was purchasing a larger set of course. I was thinking something like.

Number of chips -------- Artwork Fee ------- BCC Chip Price -------- Total Price (not including shipping)

Sample Set (4 chips) ------- $5 ------------------ .90c ----------------------- $8.60
20-100 Chips ---------------- $10 ----------------- .90c ---------------------- $100
More than 100 chips ------- $25 ----------------- .90c ----------------------- $475 (500 chips for example)

Any remaining artwork fees not covered by the group buy, I would cover myself. If the fees paid by participants exceeded the artwork fees ($600) then a proportional part of the fee would be refunded.

PER CHIP
The other option is to divide the artwork fee on a per chip basis. This would certainly be the easiest and most fair but would only be practical if we put together a significant GB of about 5000 chips or more. Here's the breakdown, of the per chip cost, using this structure.

Total Chips Ordered ---- Artwork Fee ------BCC Chip Price --------- Total per chip price

5000 ------------------------ .12c ------------------ .90c ---------------------- $1.02
6000 -------------------------.10c ------------------ .90c ----------------------- $1
7000 ------------------------ .09c ------------------ .90c ----------------------- .99c
8000 ------------------------ .08c .------------------ 90c ----------------------- .98c

Payment
Please PM me with your order. I will maintain a list with everyone who has ordered and the total quantity ordered. I will PM you back with the shipping costs for your order. When you agree to the total cost include your complete shipping address. I'll try to set up my PayPal account to accept Credit Card payments. If you are unable to use PayPal or would prefer to pay by check I will PM you the address to send that to.

Game Sets
Garyon ---------- 750 chips
kward ---------- ~20
mok ------------ 20

Sample Sets (4 chips)
Beekeeper ---------- 2 sets
Drake ---------------- 1 set
tastic ---------------- 1set
mrcashflow --------- 1 set
slim7 ---------------- 1 set
catul ---------------- 1set
wot_fan ------------ 2 sets
clonexx ------------- 2 sets
jdunford ----------- 2 sets


STATUS REPORT

April 10, 2007
Group Buy Posted
The final comps have been sent to BCC and am awaiting proofs.
Have to re-work the edgespots for the 500 chip. I will post final changes here when complete. To view or offer your input in the progress, use this thread here
Redesigned edgespots and colors for the 500 chip. Enlarged the Denomination text and changed font for "Poker Player Lair"


April 12, 2007
Sent BCC updated edgespot and color schemes. Awaiting approval of configuration.
Made some modifications to designs, 500 back to purple, text spacing chages, and green background on 100 chip (see pic above)

April 17, 2007
recieved approval on new edgespot configuration

April 27, 2007
The name of the chips has been voted on and is "Dragon's Lair".
3D Renderings have been updated and posted.
Comps sent to BCC for proof.


Gary

[beekeeper]

Gary,

Count on me for at least 2 sample sets at either price option.

Can you give folks a time line for when they need to commit to chips and pay you?

Also, I think your ultimate goal should be to get what you want. It's nice to give people the option of taking advantage of your beautiful artwork.

[Garyon]

Originally Posted by beekeeper

Gary,

Count on me for at least 2 sample sets at either price option.

Can you give folks a time line for when they need to commit to chips and pay you?

Once the designs have been approved I will set the deadline for buying in. This way everyone will know for sure EXACTLY what they are gonna get. From approval I will give a couple of weeks for folks to get in.

Gary

[drake]

I would like a sample set.

Also, Are you going to have a NCV chip with only the dragon and no text??

Some of us might be interested in buying 10 or 20 NCV Dragons to use as a "special chip" in tournaments.

Or Some other weird way to use a cool looking chip.......which I know we all come up with crazy reasons to buy chips!!


Drake

[Garyon]

Originally Posted by drake

I would like a sample set.

Also, Are you going to have a NCV chip with only the dragon and no text??

Some of us might be interested in buying 10 or 20 NCV Dragons to use as a "special chip" in tournaments.

Or Some other weird way to use a cool looking chip.......which I know we all come up with crazy reasons to buy chips!!


Drake

Sorry Drake. No plans to do that at this point. I expect to expand the set in time but not at the moment. With the expense of each design I can't do too many, and I really wanted a set with denoms for tourney's.

Gary

[tastic]

very cool! I'm down for a sample set!

[JM]

I like these, I'd be down for a sample set for sure. A couple of things...

Will these be on the heavyweight or regular chips? I'd recommend heavy and I may be interested in a set if they are heavy. I think the regular are too light so I'd only want a sample set.

I'd also suggest maybe changing the inserts (aka spots) slightly. Increase the spots on each by 1 on the 100 - 1000 chips. So the $100 would have 2, the $500 - 3, and the $1000 - 4. Then on the $5000, make that either 4 split spots (similar to the protoge 5k) or maybe an 8V pattern. Leave the colors all as is, just change the number of spots. The $100 will look pretty dull with just the single spot IMO which is why I suggest this.

Other than adding a $25 chip, which is probably out of the question at this point, those are my only suggestions.

[mrcashflow]

I'm in for a sample set too. I've enjoyed watching you develop these chips from the start.

[Garyon]

Originally Posted by JM

I like these, I'd be down for a sample set for sure. A couple of things...

Will these be on the heavyweight or regular chips? I'd recommend heavy and I may be interested in a set if they are heavy. I think the regular are too light so I'd only want a sample set.

I was not aware that there were different weights available. I will look into this. My intention would be to get the best that they have to offer.

Originally Posted by JM

I'd also suggest maybe changing the inserts (aka spots) slightly. Increase the spots on each by 1 on the 100 - 1000 chips. So the $100 would have 2, the $500 - 3, and the $1000 - 4. Then on the $5000, make that either 4 split spots (similar to the protoge 5k) or maybe an 8V pattern. Leave the colors all as is, just change the number of spots. The $100 will look pretty dull with just the single spot IMO which is why I suggest this.

The simple edgespots are more the look I was looking for and for this set anyway, are probably not going to change. I will keep your suggestions in mind for when I fill in this set with a cash set in the future.

Originally Posted by JM

Other than adding a $25 chip, which is probably out of the question at this point, those are my only suggestions.

Yeah. I am really trying to wrap up the design part of this order and get down to geting the order placed. As I mentioned though. I will most likely be ordering a cash set to go along with this one in the future. A $25 chip is sure to be a part of that.

Gary

[JM]

Fair enough, thanks for the reply!