CLOSED: BCC NEW PNY fractional (RECEIVED FROM BCC ON 7/10/07)!

BigBrando · #1 (**permalink**) 12-13-2006, 06:08 PM

6/28/07 Update and the Story So Far

With the latest Blue Chip offer going through December 31, joshuadalton and I have been revising one of his designs for a new PNY fractional and alternate $500 chip!

The final design is below. Additional designs were mocked-up and submitted to BCC for review as an add-on to our group buy. They, however, were not approved.

A few notes about the fractional design:
Color: Laker Purple
Edgespot Color: Lavendar (according to ChipForge)
Edgespot Pattern: BCC 358 1-color
Inlay: Giant (1 3/8"), Linen Finish

Artwork Fee: $100 - to be divided evenly among the four buyers
Price Per Chip: $0.75 Inlay Edgespot Chip + $0.05 for the heavier weight = $0.80
Shipping: TBD (most likely the USPS $4.10 flat rate box)
Minimum Order Size: 300 total (50 per person)

Paid (Invoice #1 - 50% Deposit and Artwork Fee): 12/28/06
BigBrando (205 chips)
800over (200 chips)
joshuadalton (220 chips)
Nexttime (300 chips)
- 925 chips total

Proof Received: 3/6/07 (CLICK HERE FOR LINK TO POST #196 WITH PROOF)

Paid (Invoice #2 - Remaining Balance and Shipping): 6/5/07
BigBrando (205 chips)
800over (200 chips)
joshuadalton (220 chips)
Nexttime (300 chips)
- 925 chips total

Production Date: Scheduled to start 6/11/07

Shipping Date: Tuesday, July 3, 2007 via FedEx Ground

Received: Tuesday, July 10, 2007
925 chips (0 extras - need to follow up with BCC to find out where they are)

LINK TO THE FIRST PHOTOS OF THE FINISHED CHIPS

LINK TO MY FIRST IMPRESSION(S)

A big thanks to joshuadalton for his fantastic art skills!

JM · #2 (**permalink**) 12-13-2006, 06:13 PM

I'm pretty sure BCC won't do it with that name on it. You'll probably need to change it to whatever they used on the fractionals.

MadeInDetroit · #3 (**permalink**) 12-13-2006, 06:15 PM

Nice mock up.

joshuadalton · #4 (**permalink**) 12-13-2006, 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JM

I'm pretty sure BCC won't do it with that name on it. You'll probably need to change it to whatever they used on the fractionals.

The name will have to be changed to New York, New York. Like this....

That being said, if these are on the heavier weight chip, I am in for 200.

BigBrando · #5 (**permalink**) 12-13-2006, 07:56 PM

I, too, think that is a distinct possibility. However, I used the Vineyard Casino Commemoratives made by BC as a model in creating my mock-up. As I saw it, this is a clear precedent as a modified chip inlay is being used on a flame mold - whereas the original (and now closed) casino used the top hat & cane mold. The only difference in those two Vineyard designs is the inclusion of the text "Commemorative Issue 2005 Limited Edition." Indeed, the edgespots are effectively the same in my opinion. In contrast, I reasoned that my "2007" is sufficiently different from the "New York, New York" text and my artwork is completely different. Further, the edgespot designs (if they are even used) are entirely different.

I'm not trying to take issue with you, JM - as I had the same thought. However, I wanted to share with everyone my thinking behind my design. I imagine I won't be the last person to mock up a "tribute" chip - so I hope the Endys have a chance to read this post and help me/us understand where we should make changes to have artwork approved.

Regardless, I will be submitting this to BCC and look forward to their feedback.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JM

I'm pretty sure BCC won't do it with that name on it. You'll probably need to change it to whatever they used on the fractionals.

joshuadalton · #6 (**permalink**) 12-13-2006, 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigBrando

I, too, think that is a distinct possibility. However, I used the Vineyard Casino Commemoratives made by BC as a model in creating my mock-up. As I saw it, this is a clear precedent as a modified chip inlay is being used on a flame mold - whereas the original (and now closed) casino used the top hat & cane mold. The only difference in those two Vineyard designs is the inclusion of the text "Commemorative Issue 2005 Limited Edition." Indeed, the edgespots are effectively the same in my opinion. In contrast, I reasoned that my "2007" is sufficiently different from the "New York, New York" text and my artwork is completely different. Further, the edgespot designs (if they are even used) are entirely different.

I'm not trying to take issue with you, JM - as I had the same thought. However, I wanted to share with everyone my thinking behind my design. I imagine I won't be the last person to mock up a "tribute" chip - so I hope the Endys have a chance to read this post and help me/us understand where we should make changes to have artwork approved.

Regardless, I will be submitting this to BCC and look forward to their feedback.

We went through this on the .25/.50 Group Buy. The Endy's are friends with the owners of the casino, and they will not put the name of this casino on their chips. Also, the mold makes no difference really. This was stated by Dave when someone was hoping to use a casino's colors for their customs and thought that them not being on the casino mold would make it ok.

BigBrando · #7 (**permalink**) 12-13-2006, 08:14 PM

Thanks for the clarification, joshuadalton. I genuinely was curious why there was so much design change necessary when the Vineyard Commemorative artwork was approved. Your answer seems reasonable.

Do you happen to know if any other variations on the casino name were acceptable? My back-up ideas included:

"President New Yorker"
"President Casino" on the top and "New York" on the bottom.
"New Yorker Casino"

I emailed BCC and expect to make further revisions (a better font choice, color matching, alternate background art, etc.).

joshuadalton · #8 (**permalink**) 12-13-2006, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigBrando

Thanks for the clarification, joshuadalton. I genuinely was curious why there was so much design change necessary when the Vineyard Commemorative artwork was approved. Your answer seems reasonable.

Do you happen to know if any other variations on the casino name were acceptable? My back-up ideas included:

"President New Yorker"
"President Casino" on the top and "New York" on the bottom.
"New Yorker Casino"

I emailed BCC and expect to make further revisions (a better font choice, color matching, alternate background art, etc.).

They will likely deny all of those options as they are too close to the original.

No "President" or "New Yorker"

Here are some ideas for the Non Denom

BigBrando · #9 (**permalink**) 12-13-2006, 08:45 PM

Those look incredible! Which one are you thinking is our top contender?

Also, what are your thoughts on the Horizon Blue color? Would you prefer a purple color, instead? On one hand, I much prefer BCC's Laker Purple color to the Horizon Blue (which I believe is on the Samurai Palace $1) - but the PNYs already use a purple ($500).

Two other questions, joshuadalton. Are you favoring edgespots or a solid? Did you want non-denominated or $0.25?

Between the two of us we have enough to order (200 each).

Solid (heavy): 400 @ $0.65 + $100 artwork = $360 ($180/each)
Edgespot (heavy): 400 @ $0.80 + $100 artwork = $420 ($210 each)

Quote:

Originally Posted by joshuadalton

They will likely deny all of those options as they are too close to the original.

No "President" or "New Yorker"

Here are some ideas for the Non Denom

joshuadalton · #10 (**permalink**) 12-13-2006, 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigBrando

Those look incredible! Which one are you thinking is our top contender?

Also, what are your thoughts on the Horizon Blue color? Would you prefer a purple color, instead? On one hand, I much prefer BCC's Laker Purple color to the Horizon Blue (which I believe is on the Samurai Palace $1) - but the PNYs already use a purple ($500).

Two other questions, joshuadalton. Are you favoring edgespots or a solid? Did you want non-denominated or $0.25?

Between the two of us we have enough to order (200 each).

Solid (heavy): 400 @ $0.65 + $100 artwork = $360 ($180/each)
Edgespot (heavy): 400 @ $0.80 + $100 artwork = $420 ($210 each)

I would like to go with this.....

I would need to get a designer to make a clean, print ready version though.

Also, as far as using purple on this chip, I don't see a problem since the two will never be on the table at the same time. I only have a cash set of 1/2.50/20's so it really would not be an issue for me.