[Wedge Rock]

***3/23/07 Update***
This group buy consisted of pre-USPC green/brown circleback casino KEMs, pre-USPC black/burgundy casino KEM's, USPC red/blue casino KEMs, and USPC green/brown casino KEMs. The order was placed through Kardwell and I think we totaled something like 130 set-ups (260 decks). The order was sent to me in 12/06 and all cards delivered to the group buyers in 12/06 and 1/07.

Some people with the pre-USPC cards complained that they got seconds instead of casino quality. I am in the process of making that right with Joe from Kardwell.

Phase 1 consisted of replacing cards for those that only had a few problems. The following people had individual cards replaced:

The3rd
RockStrongo
CTRounder
Dwight87
Shrtstp
EasilyFound

Those replacements were mailed 3/22/07 and 3/23/07. Joe sent them to me for free, and I covered the shipping back out to you guys. Hopefully, this will make the six of you "right". Please confirm when you get them in.

Also, Joe sent me a full set-up to use as replacements and then a few miscellaneous cards that had duplicate problems. As a result, I have some spare cards available if others need a replacement:

Green Circlebacks
Clubs: A, 2
Hearts: A, 3, 6, 7, 8, 9
Diamonds: A, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, J
Spades: None
+ 2 Jokers

Brown Circlebacks
Clubs: 2, 3, 6, 7, J, Q, K
Hearts: A, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, J, Q, K
Diamonds: A, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9, T, J, Q, K
Spades: A, 2, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, T, Q, K
+ 2 Jokers

If you were involved in the original group buy but missed phase 1, I will send you replacement cards, but you pay the postage. If you were not involved in the group buy, these cards are available for $1 each, with the intention that sales will offset what I have to pay in postage to re-ship.

Phase 2 is already under way for those that have entire decks (or nearly all of a deck) damaged/unacceptable. I will continue to take claims into next week, then I will send Joe a fax with a list of the problems. I assume that you will have to send me your ace of spades in Phase 2 to get a replacement, but I don't know that for sure. I also do not know what the remedy will be. I assume they will be replaced, but they may also be substituted (for, say, post-USPC casinos, which had almost no problems) or refunded. When I know the remedy and the replacement/refund procedure, I will let you know.

Once Phase 2 is over, you will have to deal with Joe directly for problems. I will be glad to confirm with Joe what cards you purchased as part of this group buy, but you will have to work with him to correct your porblems.

Hopefully we can wrap this GB up shortly. Any questions, let me know.

[Wedge Rock]

I accept payment in fresh Mozzarella...

[Kjelon]

Originally Posted by bmwguy525

Yup....that 2 setups that I have it already more than I need. Through work I can have as many Dal Negro setups as I want at half the cost (We have containers coming from Italy every 2 months and they don't mind sending things.....let's say illegally....e.i.Wine, fresh Mozzarella, ........playing cards), and on top of the g/b circle setup that I have, I need at LEAST 2 more.

Do I hear a group buy for fresh mozarella and Italian wine?

[CRD]

I want to join the GB.

My order:

1 Pre-USPC green/brown circle back
1 Pre-USPC black/burgundy casino back

2 setups total.

Paypal will be sent tomorrow.

Thanks Wedge!

[EasilyFound]

Originally Posted by WolfPack

I have a setup of the green brown circle backs, best cards I own and have played with, including at card rooms. You guys are going to love these.

Do these decks have a tendency over time to bow like other KEMs, such as the Arrows? That is one thing I dislike very much about KEMS. How much they tend to bow over time.

[WolfPack]

Originally Posted by EasilyFound

Do these decks have a tendency over time to bow like other KEMs, such as the Arrows? That is one thing I dislike very much about KEMS. How much they tend to bow over time.

They don't have a bow, I got them used, and have played with them a few dozen times myself and don't have that problem. They feel much better than the arrows (I have vintage and USPC arrows) I think wedge mentioned something about them being different material or something, and you can tell when you feel them.

[WolfPack]

Originally Posted by WolfPack

They don't have a bow, I got them used, and have played with them a few dozen times myself and don't have that problem. They feel much better than the arrows (I have vintage and USPC arrows) I think wedge mentioned something about them being different material or something, and you can tell when you feel them.

I can only speak on the pre-uspc circlebacks, I have never played with the USPC set-ups.

[EasilyFound]

I have purchased on ebay a setup of the pre-USPC black/brown casino back KEM decks. Can I assume that those were casino grade cards or was that design also produced for sale to the general public? The ones I have a great, a better quality than the pre-USPC Kems. Though I have seen old brown/black cards that bowed slightly. But overall, a better deck than the general-public Arrow KEMs.

[Diamond_Don]

Originally Posted by EasilyFound

Do these decks have a tendency over time to bow like other KEMs, such as the Arrows? That is one thing I dislike very much about KEMS. How much they tend to bow over time.

The pre uspc g/b that I have do have a slight up bow to them

One of my set-ups is still wraped, But putting the backs back to back it looks like there may be a sligt bow in them before opening them.

[EasilyFound]

The pre uspc g/b that I have do have a slight up bow to them

That is consistent with mine, which is a slight up bow, lying face down, and with the bow more from the sides, rather than more from top and bottom, which is how I'd describe the bow of my Arrows.

[ronitonline]

Is there any higher discount if we get any higher, or even at 75?
I would imagine we can...