Triple Draw Live - when to shuffle?

AceDeuceNoUse · #1 (**permalink**) 06-23-2007, 07:26 PM

I called 2-7 Triple Draw a couple times at the last kitchen table game I attended, folks seemed to like it.

I have a question though, at what point do the mucked cards get shuffled and re-dealt for the draws? At each betting round? Only when the cards run out of the original pack? I can't find a solid rule on this. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

On a separate note, if a wild card plays as part of straights and flushes, does it count as an Ace for the flush, even if the "natural" ace is exposed in someone else's hand?

jdunford · #2 (**permalink**) 06-23-2007, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by AceDeuceNoUse

I called 2-7 Triple Draw a couple times at the last kitchen table game I attended, folks seemed to like it.

I have a question though, at what point do the mucked cards get shuffled and re-dealt for the draws? At each betting round? Only when the cards run out of the original pack? I can't find a solid rule on this. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

On a separate note, if a wild card plays as part of straights and flushes, does it count as an Ace for the flush, even if the "natural" ace is exposed in someone else's hand?

1) I'm no expert, but I think I need more info to understand the situation correctly. For 2-7 triple-draw, how many players were at the table? Ideally, there shouldn't be any re-shuffling of discarded cards, so if you have loose enough players that you run out of cards at a 6-handed table, you should only shuffle once the stub is exhausted (if i'm not mistaken). Personally, I've never had this happen, but we've only tried 2-7 triple-draw once for about an hour.

2) The natural A showing up in someone else's hand doesn't change the value of the wild card (or bug, as the case may be). In fact - although it's been a while since I last played with a bug in the deck - memory serves that one could have a flush with both the natural A and a bug, which is higher than having a natural AK-high flush. But maybe that was a house rule...

Sorry I wasn't more helpful. These are just examples I remember; definitely not "Robert's Rules" level of authority...

Captn_All_In · #3 (**permalink**) 06-23-2007, 10:59 PM

We used to play the Wild as an A high flush and if someone else had an A high flush of a different suit they chopped it. We never had it happen but if they both had flushes in the same suit the guy with the Wild won....not sure why really but that was how we played it.

As for the other Q....I have never had to shuffle the discards for a triple draw game. I have only ever played that with 4 players. My guess would be to shuffle them after the stub runs out, doing it before hand, like the second draw seems a little odd to me because you might get one of the cards you discarded?!!??!

_GUN_ · #4 (**permalink**) 06-23-2007, 11:12 PM

Here's how UltimateBet handles it---

"Sometimes, there are not enough cards to complete a drawing round. When this happens, the muck has to be reshuffled and the draw is completed after the reshuffle. The cards that are included in the reshuffle are the mucked cards from all previous drawing rounds and the mucked cards of any player who has gotten all of his replacement cards on the current drawing round.

Going back to our previous example, let's say that Player 1 discards 3 cards, Player 2 discards 2 cards and Player 3 discards 1 card. The

dealer then deals Player 1 three cards and Player 2 one card. At this point there are no more cards left in the deck. The mucked cards from any previous betting rounds are now shuffled with the discards from Player 1 only. Player 2's discards are not included in the reshuffle since all of his discards were not replaced. This means that it is impossible for a player to ever get his own discards back on a given round of betting."

AceDeuceNoUse · #5 (**permalink**) 06-24-2007, 12:07 PM

Thanks for the info, guys. We had 6 players, and the stub was exhausted midway through the second draw. Next time I will be sure to exclude a player's muck from the reshuffle during the same betting round if he hasn't completed his draw.

Captn_All_In · #6 (**permalink**) 06-25-2007, 06:37 PM

+1 for GUN...

Nice find!!

dad604 · #7 (**permalink**) 07-07-2007, 03:53 AM

What is this regarding the bug as an A's or for a flush? I though 2-7 triple draw is a lowball game. If that is the case you don't want the bug as a flush and it should also be the lowest card needed to complete your low hand.

If you are playing it as a hi/lo game, then the bug can be use to fill a flush and it will be the highest card of that flush that does not duplicate another card. ie, if you have the natural A of that suit and no king then the bug will be the K. Some home game house rule might be different but it is no higher or lower than a natural card.

BigBlue · #8 (**permalink**) 07-22-2007, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by dad604

What is this regarding the bug as an A's or for a flush? I though 2-7 triple draw is a lowball game. If that is the case you don't want the bug as a flush and it should also be the lowest card needed to complete your low hand.

If you are playing it as a hi/lo game, then the bug can be use to fill a flush and it will be the highest card of that flush that does not duplicate another card. ie, if you have the natural A of that suit and no king then the bug will be the K. Some home game house rule might be different but it is no higher or lower than a natural card.

What he said... wild cards count as actual cards, no in-hand duplication, but there can be multiple A-high flushes in the same suit. As per different suits, go to the 2nd best card.... AQ natural loses to Wild-King.

avsfan91 · #9 (**permalink**) 07-29-2007, 11:35 PM

I would put mucked cardsback in the deck after you have run out of cards. I hate have to put mucked cards back in to a deck