[TenPercenter]

Can you guys help this member out with denom choosing for the Pharos?

im one of the many who has difficulty with
choosing denoms, and i already have a set of the JB's
from the Nugzy g.b., i have 200 of the $25, 250 $100,
and 50 $500. im not sure how to round out this set
with the Pharaoh's to make my tourney set of 1000. a
fourth denom is probably needed and i am looking to
you for advice. i dont want to make more out of this
than needs to be made, but it is crunch time and im a
little anxious as to how to resolve this.

[TripKings]

Rounding your set off to:

350 - $25's
350 - $100's
175 - $500's
125 - $1000's

Will allow you a maximum of 42 players at T-5000 and no rebuys(but you can colorup to 500/1000) OR 42 players at T-3000 and 28 rebuys and still colorup properly.

What is your desired Tournament starting chip count per player and what amount of each denom do you prefer each player start with? And I could run some more calculations.

[TripKings]

Going with:

400 - $25
300 - $100
200 - $500
100 - $1000

Would allow a maximum of 20 players to start with T10,000(20 green, 15 black, 6 purple, and 5 orange - each player). The colorup to $500 and $1000 chips at the end would be exact(allowing zero rebuys). Or you could do 20 players to start with T5000 and 20 rebuys.

With this set you could also do a 37 player tournament at T5000 and no rebuys(and still color up).

What you want to do is really the deciding factor on what you should do. Please advise.

[CaptLego]

OK.
So you already have:
200 green
250 black
50 purple

So you're set to run a 10 person tourney, giving each person T5000 as 20x green, 20x black, and 5x purple. You have enough blacks to colorup the greens, if you want, but not enough chips to support rebuys or addons.

This seems like a pretty good setup. But if you want to augment the set and stay focussed on tourneys, then you can add chips to support rebuys, and more players.

Just doubling the set would be great for 20 players, unless you want to eventually colorup the blacks or support rebuys. Otherwise, you'll need some bigger chips.

You might try this:
400 green
400 black
100 purple
100 orange

Then for 20 players with T5000, start each person with 20x green, 15x black, 4x purple, and 1x orange. You'll have enough chips for 20 players, the ability to colorup the greens to blacks, and still have enough for 18 rebuys.

With the same distribution you could squeeze 33 people, giving each 12x green, 12x black, 3x purple, and 2x orange. You wouldn't have enough chips to support rebuys for this tourney. Colorups would also be a problem. You'd have enough orange chips to buy back stacks of 40 greens, but precious few remaining blacks or purples to handle the remaining greens cleanly. (With a progressive colorup, you might make it.... upgrade some purples to orange, upgrade blacks to purples, use the freed-up blacks to colorup the greens....)

It's probably not worth trying to squeeze more than 30 or so players into a tourney with only 1000 chips. You just wouldn't have enough chips per player no matter how you breakdown the set.

So I'd recommend he purchase an additional:
400 - 200 = 200 green
400 - 250 = 150 black
100 - 50 = 50 purple
100 - 0 = 100 orange

[CaptLego]

I see TripKings and I were posting at the same time. I like his distributions too.

I was thinking that with $25 as the minimum chip, T5000 would be most eficient chip-wise, with the starting blinds at 25/50 and 100BB as the buyin. I like giving people the maximum number of starting chips possible, so I ended up with more blacks than Trip's distribution at the expense of fewer total $ in the chipset and consequently a lower maximum # of players.

As TripKings points out, the optimal distribution will depend on the relative importance of max # of players, rebuys, and colorups.


At the risk of highjacking this thread, I was wondering about colorups:

How important are colorups? How many chips is too many on the table? Do you guys routinely colorup? (The most players I've had in a tourney was 15, and we didn't feel the need to colorup -- near the end, the stacks of low denom chips just sat there until the final all-in.)

When you do colorups, how easy should it be? For example, if you're removing greens from the table, do you need to have enough blacks available for this, or are you willing to upgrade some of the blacks and purples at the same time?

[TripKings]

CaptLego,

IMHO colorups are a necessity just for the fact that having a lot of chips on the table near the end really slows up the game. This of course is a general statement, as it depends on the players(can they cut off a stack fast) in each game which determine how many is too many, how many chips you start with, how many players you start with, if you have rebuys, etc. But, as a general rule - especially with max players for a chip set..... I plan on colorups to the two highest denoms.

[Coleman]

I like a green:blackurplerange ratio of 8:9:5:3.
The big chips are a tad generous, but that's in case I want to add a single 5,000 chip and make it a T 10,000. (which is one of my intended uses for the blue NCV)
Some folks might not want to play with a 5K chip in their starting stack, but there will be enough extras to color down early when necessary.
Making change might be a little inconvenient, but why use 2000 chips when 1000 will do?

Therefore, I'd get:
$25 (200) 125 pharaoh's
$100 (250) 100 pharaoh's
$500 (50) 150 pharaoh's
$1000 (0) 125 pharaoh's
...which gives you starting stacks of 8,8,4,2 with a single extra black, purple and orange chip per player to color-in. (more than enough)

...and then I'd go 50 more than 1000 with
$NCV (0) 50 pharaoh's or 40 chipco plaques
Just in case you want to have WSOP-style tourney.

Coloring-in will be a bit tight with 40 players, but I'd rather cut it close than have chips I'll never need.

Now....
How about your side game?

[boondocker96]

any thoughts on whether this setup would work for 10-15 player tourney, allowing one re-buy
200-$5
300-$25
350-$100
100-$500
50-$1000
blinds would be what, 5/10 to start but then what.
my guys like having a decent stack to start with, and i think id have decent coloring up possibilities, but damn this is still unclear for me.

[Coleman]

My first impression is that you have well more than enough chips. (Big stacks are fun to fondle, but that should be the reward for winning pots.) Those big stacks will slow you down, and the busted out players are going to be sitting around a long time. Consider buying fewer chips for the tourney, and then getting a good amount for the side game.

Here are some important questions:
How long do you want this tourney to last?
How often do you raise blinds?
What starting stack do you prefer?
What is your desired chip count?

I get by quite easily with a set that has 25 chips X the max number of players.

For example, here's what I'm ordering:
150 Blue (which can double as 5K)
200 $1
175 $5
175 $25
200 $100
100 $500
75 $1000

This will allow 20 players to play in a T5000 with one blue $5000 chip apiece for rebuys.
And while everyone is sitting around waiting for the next tourney to start, you have a complete ring game set for either $.25/$.50 or $1/$2.
Start blinds at 25/25, and the $5 chip clutter (and subsequent early color-in) disappears.
Fact is, once you establish the ring game you won't really need to play rebuy any more.

[hayaku]

Originally Posted by CaptLego

OK.
So you already have:
200 green
250 black
50 purple

So you're set to run a 10 person tourney, giving each person T5000 as 20x green, 20x black, and 5x purple. You have enough blacks to colorup the greens, if you want, but not enough chips to support rebuys or addons.

This seems like a pretty good setup. But if you want to augment the set and stay focussed on tourneys, then you can add chips to support rebuys, and more players.

Just doubling the set would be great for 20 players, unless you want to eventually colorup the blacks or support rebuys. Otherwise, you'll need some bigger chips.

You might try this:
400 green
400 black
100 purple
100 orange

Then for 20 players with T5000, start each person with 20x green, 15x black, 4x purple, and 1x orange. You'll have enough chips for 20 players, the ability to colorup the greens to blacks, and still have enough for 18 rebuys.

With the same distribution you could squeeze 33 people, giving each 12x green, 12x black, 3x purple, and 2x orange. You wouldn't have enough chips to support rebuys for this tourney. Colorups would also be a problem. You'd have enough orange chips to buy back stacks of 40 greens, but precious few remaining blacks or purples to handle the remaining greens cleanly. (With a progressive colorup, you might make it.... upgrade some purples to orange, upgrade blacks to purples, use the freed-up blacks to colorup the greens....)

It's probably not worth trying to squeeze more than 30 or so players into a tourney with only 1000 chips. You just wouldn't have enough chips per player no matter how you breakdown the set.

So I'd recommend he purchase an additional:
400 - 200 = 200 green
400 - 250 = 150 black
100 - 50 = 50 purple
100 - 0 = 100 orange

I have to agree i like the
400 green
400 black
100 purple
100 orange