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Old 03-23-2012, 03:41 PM
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Getting started with ASM customs

I am about to take the plunge and get some custom chips from ASM. I have reached out to a designer and have started preliminary work on an inlay. I've got a color sample set from ASM along with several mold samples although I want to order some more once I narrow it down a bit. What should some of the next steps I should be doing at this point? I guess I am at a loss at where to start with edgespots and color choices. Any primers/considerations y'all can share as I dive into that part of the process. Any other general thoughts/tips on custom chips would be appreciated as well. Thanks in advance.
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Old 03-23-2012, 04:01 PM
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Re: Getting started with ASM customs

Congratulations!

You might want to start by perusing some of the longer mock-up threads to observe somebody else's journey through the process.

Although I can't speak for anybody else, my first step in designing the chips themselves is to select the color scheme and base colors and start mocking up various configurations and edge spots in the Chip Factory. Around the same time I'll contact my designer so he can get started on the inlay. When I have a tentative line-up, I post a mock-up thread to get comments, critiques, and suggestions from our many talented members. Along the way you may need to get input and/or approvals from the manufacturer. Both of my sets changed significantly between my first mock-ups and the final versions.

Designing a custom chip set is a fantastic experience that one has to go through to appreciate. Good luck, have fun, and don't rush it!

Added thought: Look at lots and lots of chips in the custom gallery, and make note of which elements (colors, spots, etc.) appeal to you the most and which elements you'd like to avoid. You should discover a pattern.
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Old 03-23-2012, 04:06 PM
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Re: Getting started with ASM customs

I'd start by working out what denoms and quantities of each you (realistically) want. ie cash or tourny; how many players/tables; if cash - NL and/or limit & what stakes you want to be able to spread.
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Old 03-24-2012, 07:40 AM
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Re: Getting started with ASM customs

Looking through The Chip Guide (ChipGuide.com - The Online Information Source For Casino Chip Collectors) helps me see what color combos work well together as well as which elements I'd like to avoid either in color combos or inlay design.
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Old 04-16-2012, 08:40 AM
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Re: Getting started with ASM customs

Glad to see your post! I am almost ready to get the process started and get a 1000 chip cash set from ASM. This forum in incredibly helpful and enjoyable! Really thankful for it. Going to do as suggested and check out the MOck-ups section some more and get better acquainted with the process...which has been fun so far. Really enjoy the chip tool this site provides. Thanks again for your post, and good luck getting chips you'll be happy with for years to come!
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Old 04-16-2012, 12:29 PM
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Re: Getting started with ASM customs

Although I am still a novice, I will take a crack at describing my experience and approach broadly. Although, I agree with Abby99's sentiments and believe that there is no correct, formulaic way to go about it, just what works best for you.

Step 1: Spend a significant time perusing CT for a) other individual's posts that document their process/approach, and b) individual gallery posts of their customs. Ones with development from mock-up to final product are especially helpful to get a sense of how the chips evolve. If you know the type of chips (ASM, Paulsons, etc.) your leaning towards, order sample sets here.

Step 2: Decide on your style of inlay/chip. From your research, get a base sense of what type of inlay design you like. For example, I found I was most drawn to minimalist, classic look. This was also somewhat influenced by the fact that I knew I was going for ASM clays. If I was to go for ceramics, I probably would have leaned towards a more flashy design.

At this stage I also started searching for graphics and fonts to consider for incorporation into the inlay design. Note, I knew I was going to do the design myself, but I think this is something worthy of doing even if you have a designer. I also tried to stick to searching images and fonts that 1) I could get the rights to use (either through purchase or permission, and 2) files that would scale well when manipulated, generally vectors in *.ai or *.eps format (I avoided things that were only available in gif or jpg, etc.)

Step 3: Figure out broadly what type of set/denominations your likely to go with. Many good articles that are must reads for breakdowns and will help you narrow down what you need for various stakes. This is also where you might begin figuring out what your budget allows. At this point I determined that I was definitely going for a cash set with no more than five levels and could accommodate at least a 10 person $0.50/$1 NLHE game. I also decided on my colors for the chip base here as well. Of course, sample set is needed to do.

Step 4: Begin to put together your inlay draft(s). At this point I knew what type of set and broad denom categories I wanted. I also knew what style of design I liked and had a pool of images to play around with. So I went about just trying different things out with the inlay. Note, that the final inlay design itself probably took about 2-3 weeks to settle, but at this point in the process, I had enough to start messing around with it and in about a week I had a base style of design and the graphics/fonts narrowed down.

Step 5: Start putting together mockups in Chip Factory. Once I had the base inlay design selected (still recognizing that some rough edges would still need to be smoothed out), I turned back to the chips themselves and the denominations. I went into the chip factory and setup my 5 base chips with a draft inlay in them. I began to try different edgespot and spot color combinations out to see which (of the styles/colors I liked most) a) worked well across the set, and b) worked well with the inlay style.

Note, I think that this is the most effective time in the process to really begin picking edgespots and spot colors. IMHE I don't know how you can make any really good choices (for custom inlay chips) until you have a more concrete idea of how your inlay is going to look. I also created a spreadsheet at this stage to track the edgespots I liked and their costs respectively. Budget was an issue for me, so this was very helpful as it allowed me to easily narrow down my choices for both aesthetics and budgetary constraints.

Step 6: Cooling off period/Tweaking Phase. At this point, you should have narrowed down to: 1) your base chip colors chosen, 2) the number of levels you want, 3) a primary, base draft of your inlay design with room for modifications/tweaking, and 4) a short list of edge spots and colors. This is not to say your ready to send your order in. No way. For me, I was probably 3 weeks into design, thought, "Okay, let me call the order in." Called ASM and Michael gave me the best advice, sit on it and let it settle in.

I did so for about a week, and ended up tweaking all of the above here and there. I found that this cooling off period, really allowed me to step back and look at what I had put together from a different perspective and make some really good revisions to multiple different elements of the chips. I tweaked the inlay design a little, changed the spots and spot color in minor ways, played around with my chip counts in my spreadsheet a ton. After a week, I looked back at my order and found I finally got what I was looking for when I started.

While up to this point, I didn't take advantage of posting any drafts or seek any thoughts on the set from CTers (I didn't do so until my order was in and final), I think this would definitely be a great place to do so for good holistic feedback on your set. Of course, feedback could be helpful at any of the prior steps if your stumped on any one decision. However, for being my first custom set, I really wanted this project to reflect my own personality and preferences. I found that by doing my homework (and a ton of it) on the forums at the start, I knew what I liked and knew the pitfalls I should look out for. If would have gotten stumped, I would've posted for sure. But, from the start I felt that I wanted this to be something completely unique to me and unveil at the end.

Step 7: Place your order. The whole team at ASM was great to work with.

Step 8: Wait. This is the worst part, but a necessary evil.

Step 9: Delivery. Can't spreak to this yet, still waiting, but only for a couple more days hopefully.
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Old 04-16-2012, 12:51 PM
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Re: Getting started with ASM customs

joepanj:
IMO post of the year so far! Excellent information! Thank you . Custom ASM's are my next project too, so this was very informative and useful.
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Old 04-16-2012, 08:41 PM
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Re: Getting started with ASM customs

WOW! Great post Joepanj!

I will say that the "lurking" part was the "listening" part and it will be good and helpful to "listen" A LOT... and it was fun to look at all the creativness on this forum, taking bits and pieces, and applying them to my own.

I knew the direction I wanted my inlays to take but for me, hiring an artist to take all of what I described and see it evolve was really satisfying.

For me, the spot selections (if you plan any) and colors of those spots was BY FAR the most taxing (maddening) experience! If you have the mobile app of Chip Factory... get ready to use that a lot! My initial ideas aren't even close to where I ended up... but I am glad of that! There are some really great ideas that people will suggest to you here and I felt that they were all in an effort to make MY final vision and product the best it could be.

Just remember, in the end, the decision and direction is yours! There is huge satisfaction in coming to the end of the road! The saying is, "It's not the destination, it's the journey..." Well, they are BOTH a lot of fun!
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