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Must be something about the different sample molds.

Because my ASM samples (several types of Horesheads) are high-quality inlays -- molded into the chip, definitely not a label, and with a nice textured finish. Equal in quality to some of the best old Paulsons.

Just my limited experience with HHs, so I can't speak for other chips.
That is exactly what I have here with the horsehead mold inlay chip sample. The inlay is silk screened/molded on and textured, exactly like all the old paulson casino chips I have here that I collect.

There is no edge to pick at where the label ends, it goes all the way past the edge of the label and to the first concentric circle. There is no way this label is glued on.
The inlay IS a glued on label, it just has a a thin textured coating applied over it.

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From the samples I have here, the inlay looks molded into the chip, just like all the paulson chips I have here.

I also just sat here for the past 15 mins trying to dig at the inlay and get it to come up/off the chip with my fingernails. I could not even get a grip on any side to lift the label up, even on the edge where the screening ends.

You say the inlays are not difficult to remove, what are you using to remove them? A knife? Because if you give me enough time and a knife ill hack apart any casino chip with an inlay you give me and get the inlay off. It will not come off by hand unless you spend hours picking at it and trying, and even then I dont think it would budge. The inlay isnt going anywhere.

I would like some evidence to the claim that the label is glued on and then screened over and what the difference would be between that and whatever paulson does, because both seem identical to me while looking/feeling/playing with both types of chips. Not the new paulsons either, I am talking casino paulson chips.
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BTW I just called pokerchips.com again and asked Debbie how their inlay is put on the chip in case something had changed since the last time I asked the same question. I got the same answer.

They said it is put into the hot clay and then molded from there. I asked about it being a label that is just glued on with a screen over it and the answer was no.

So I am sorry Johnny, but you are wrong.
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hmmm...just as conflicting as different reviews that i have read ...
some say glued, some say "baked-in"...

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hmmm...just as conflicting as different reviews that i have read ...
some say glued, some say "baked-in"...

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Call them and ask for a horsehead mold with an inlay as a sample and then judge for yourself man.

The company says its molded to the chip and the chips in front of me are identical to the paulsons I have from casinos which are molded to the chip...so....
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hmmm...just as conflicting as different reviews that i have read ...
some say glued, some say "baked-in"...

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Call them and ask for a horsehead mold with an inlay as a sample and then judge for yourself man.

The company says its molded to the chip and the chips in front of me are identical to the paulsons I have from casinos which are molded to the chip...so....
yep...still waiting for my HH samples...

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Did you specifically ask for a sample with an inlay or just HH samples? Because it's possible you wont get an inlayed chip unless you specifically asked for one.
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Lets back up a bit. I was just clearing up the fact that the inlays were being printed on paper & glued to the chip. That isn't to say there isn't a nice textured quality coating over top of it. I never said that ASM's process was any different from other manufacturers including Paulson because I assume they are relatively similar.

When I received my first ASM samples, with a bit of effort I was able to peel one of the "labels" off with a fingernail. Since then, I have seen several more of these chips, and while it may be tough to do with a fingernail, you should easily be able to pick the edge up with a knife & peel it right off (no time-consuming hacking required). I have tried this same knife test with a Paulson chip, and gave up after a LOT more effort than was applied to the ASM.

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Silkscreened? Do you know what this is? You keep referencing the fact that the inlays are screened/molded to the chip - I don' know what you mean by this. I do not know how the clear 'vinyl' coating is applied, but the paper underneath is clearly glued onto the clay.

Here are some pics of an ASM chip that I broke (with my hands - not easy though) - my last one too. It was either that or bake it...



Each "label" consists of a clear textured layer, a printed paper layer, and another paper layer that is glued to the chip.

The image on the left shows the clear "textured cover" that was peeled off the paper label (still stuck to the chip). On this chip, a lot of the printing transferred onto the clear layer, but on the first one I tried this on, it was much less (maybe because the chips were new then).

The image on the right shows the other side, where the white label was stuck on the chip, and the unseparated clear & printed layers.

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BTW I just called pokerchips.com again and asked Debbie how their inlay is put on the chip in case something had changed since the last time I asked the same question. I got the same answer.

They said it is put into the hot clay and then molded from there. I asked about it being a label that is just glued on with a screen over it and the answer was no.

So I am sorry Johnny, but you are wrong.
Oh, you spoke with Debbie, that settles it then. It is my experience that the majority of customer service reps out there don't have a clue how their products are manufactured, so relying on thier sketchy explanations does not help your argument any.

Again, my intention was not to discredit these chips, just clarify the fact that in the end, the inlays are basically just printed labels.

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After all this I decided to just break one of my ASM Horseheads and a new Paulson JB and see what happens for myself.

They both took a hammer and screwdriver to break, though the Paulson was harder to break.

Apparently it is a combo of the 2 that Johnny and I were talking about. The center is recessed on the chip which is a result of pressing the inlay, but the inlay itself is glued to a backing which is then pressed into the chip. Under the inlay backing was no glue holding it to the chip, it was held there by a small spot of clay sticking to the inlay backing. Technically we were both right =P The inlay itself is not paper, but seems to be more like plastic with a texture on it.

The paulson however is molded so well into the chip that even after breaking it I could not get the inlay off the chip.

However, neither chip will have the inlay come up under any sort of normal use. I still could not get the inlay off the horsehead using only my fingernail.

I apologize Johnny, I was lied to and will make it a point to call and tell them as such.
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Did you specifically ask for a sample with an inlay or just HH samples? Because it's possible you wont get an inlayed chip unless you specifically asked for one.
supposedly they're sending me an inlayed sample of each mold...

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Once again I want to apologize to Johnny.

I can admit when I get too heated and am wrong. Sorry bud.
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