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Had a few moments so I thought I would share some information which WE feel may be usefull for those using design software- especially 3d modeling software- for their custom design renditions.....
Your monitor is an amazing piece of equipment- it can display millions upon millions of vivid, vibrant colors.. its truly astonishing.
Printers- on the other hand- cannot reproduce the same spectrum of colors as your monitor. Not even close.
This GAMUT- or ability to render colors- is a limiting factor when anticipating your final product.
When it comes to ceramics-theres even more limitations--
Printers for the most part are RBG devices and NOT cmyk devices- even though the USE cmyk inks- they are considered an RBG device.
Heat and pressure effect printing-- and this reduces vibrancy and vividness quite a bit. Many people are using 3d modeling programs to render what they THINK will be EXACTLY what their chips will look like- sorry to disappoint- but dont expcect ANY printer to produce EXACTLY the same vibrancy and vividness on your finished product as you see on your monitor/3d program.
We often hear from people
" those colors arent precisely what I am seeing on my screen and theyre not jump out at ya vibrant... what gives..."
Most accurate is inlays- done on vinyl- least accurate- is ceramics- primarily due to many changes taking place.
For ceramics:
1- your colors in your rbg spectrum need to be changed using an ICC profile which matches the PAPER used AND the ink used. The inks used for ceramics have further limitations in reproducing a WIDE color gamut.
2- Put this on a blank chip thats NOT pure white- and we get some further slight shifting of colors
3- add heat and pressure- and we get even further slight shifting-- and some colors at this stage just cannot be reproduced.
4- add a textured surface with nooks and crannies-- and we get further difficulties
Manufacturers of ink have done a pretty good job of writing icc profiles which take ALL of this into consideration in getting the final product CLOSE to what was originally intended. They dont and cant achieve this to perfection
For ceramics- the BEST thing you can do is to have your manufacturer provide color wheels with corresponding RBG values. THis way you can look at the red- lets say- on your screen- look at what the same red is on the color wheel- and then use THOSE rbg values and NOT the ones your software says- to obtain THAT color red. Same for the rest of the colors.
This also holds true for vinyl and paper printers- only the variations on vinyl and paper are FAR less then with ceramics. A color chart from YOUR printer will ensure that you achieve the most accurate color reproduction based on your artwork.
There are manufacturers that ONLY will print THEIR colors on their products. This is done for a reason- because they realize that they cannot cover the enormous range that RBG offers- so they limit the color space to ONLY those colors their equipment can print.
Hope this helps someone out there understand some of the perils and pitfalls that exist in the printing world
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Joe Daley,VP
Palm Imports Inc.
Proud ChipTalk Sponsor
For ceramics- the BEST thing you can do is to have your manufacturer provide color wheels with corresponding RBG values. THis way you can look at the red- lets say- on your screen- look at what the same red is on the color wheel- and then use THOSE rbg values and NOT the ones your software says- to obtain THAT color red. Same for the rest of the colors.
This was all very helpful indeed. Who would we need to contact for one of these "color wheels"? People like you or Sunfly or BR Poker?
Yeah, I need to tweak the colors for one denom on a job you did recently so they can be redone. I believe that they were Sunfly chips. (Harlan's Mountaineers). I would also like the proper color wheel so I can tweak with confidence.
If you make available ICC profile you use for output, it can be used to "soft-proof" the colors in photoshop... Simulating on the monitor what the output will be.
If you make available ICC profile you use for output, it can be used to "soft-proof" the colors in photoshop... Simulating on the monitor what the output will be.
unless you calibrate your monitor you cant do that. I work with printers and no matter what profile you use you cant match the monitor to the end product unless you calibrate the monitor. (thats why you use a color wheel or a printers pan-tone chart)
unless you calibrate your monitor you cant do that. I work with printers and no matter what profile you use you cant match the monitor to the end product unless you calibrate the monitor. (thats why you use a color wheel or a printers pan-tone chart)
Correct- we have 4 printers and weve given up on trying to match the monitor to the printer-well we do- but its never dead on- we just sell our resellers or give- depending- a wall mounted color chart with rbg/HEX color codes- you just match OUR red to YOUR red- use the corresponding rbg values and you'll get that red. Same for ceramics- we just found this the easiest way to do things.
Not sure if Sunfly has color wheels-- but we do. Weve only done I think 24 major colors including all TRUE colors-
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Joe Daley,VP
Palm Imports Inc.
Proud ChipTalk Sponsor
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